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Post by ryan_ott on Jun 22, 2023 22:02:54 GMT -5
That rank was declared from the whopping turnout at the small bore rally. I thought it was funny.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 23, 2023 10:16:31 GMT -5
I got the 12.5-ish degree halves on this morning. Everything seems to fit fine using the same mm of shimming that I was before. The plastic fan doesn’t feel that sturdy to me, but it’s probably fine. I checked the belt right before my ride to the beach and it was 19.4mm. Now it’s 19.3. So 0.1mm in 175 miles. 175 miles woulda been basically the whole belt life on my past Minarellis. I’m gonna try to get a ride in today, if the rain stays away at a time that I can go ride, to wear the belt if it needs to. The rear pulley is still the same so I dunno how much it really changes. 🤷♂️ I doubt I’ll try testing anytime soon. I’d like to not have wind and high humidity to potentially sway my results.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 23, 2023 12:50:02 GMT -5
New vid is up! youtu.be/4m5O_Wr3iOEHere's the previous one too, which I don't think I posted here yet. youtu.be/WDwUcBrTgGsI learned something from the comments already... "@djwoody15 21 minutes ago The name of the company is Spelled Otto Punto Uno wich means Eight point one in italy wich is the Year Jader (owner) is Born.. i visited him back in 2019 in his Facility in Italy.. They really make good stuff! i have an 180 Gilera Runner CNC engine from them and i love it" Suddenly the 8.1 engines and such make more sense.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 23, 2023 14:43:37 GMT -5
I took a 19.1 mile ride with the new front pulley stuff. RPM is low now. Pretty sure I'll be needing some heavier weights. It's running kinda poorly down low. Sputtering a lot. Not sure if it's just the low revs, the high humidity, a plug trying to foul... or all of the above to some degree. I swapped in a new BR10EG and a new NGK CR4 plug wire just to be safe.
I'll do test runs with it as-is for a comparison, but if I wasn't collecting data I'd go straight to lighter weights right now. Still had it going 80 with a tail wind. The gutters are being cleaned on the house ATM because I'm terrified if you get me near the top of a ladder. I went past the house full bore, trying to stay in the area because showers are all around. Came back and the dude on the roof had a big grin on his face.
Went down a wet back road and was spinning the rear tire at low speeds... but it will still manage wheelies out of tune and sputtering on wet roads at least up to 20MPH. Beyond that I think it's too much and it will just spin. Sometimes you have to step back and realize how badass this engine package is. It's doing that and 80MPH not running tip-top. Haters gonna hate, but this thing is fun... regardless of whether it meets Euro racing standards or not.
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Post by aeroxbud on Jun 23, 2023 17:39:06 GMT -5
I enjoyed the video. Usual YouTube comments though. You can't do nothing right. 🙊
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Post by billwill on Jun 24, 2023 6:17:33 GMT -5
The weather here sure is wet for the next few days and I'm ready for it to be sunny again. Humid too which makes the tune behave differently I'm sure.
That thing started right up and sounded great. I hear the MHR pipes are generally loud as hell so it doesn't surprise me the Stage6 is quieter. Bracket looks downright factory too, nice work!
More usable powerband is a real selling point for this pipe and all the necessary work to get it fitted. That was a big reason I chose the Yasuni R for my scoot for now. Seems so versatile. Interestingly most of the Stage6 pipes that would have worked for me were reported to have an extremely narrow powerband. Glad this one turned out well for you.
It's wild that it ran so well (quick lol) with minimal - correction NO carb tuning, especially in this weather. Looking forward to seeing you get it honed in.
I have followed this build loosely and read, oh maybe a quarter of the posts worth of this encyclopedia of a build thread of yours and it has been immensely helpful since I have the same bike. But, you basically have this thing together as a Vento Triton frame, Aerox fitted wheels and the RC-one engine fitted. Is that correct?
If the above is true, its wild seeing the thing power wheelie, even with your previous builds. I don't know if the Triton is just such a long wheelbase or what but I have never gotten it close to wheelie even pulling up on the bars with the MHR build I had.
This gives me hope, LOL!
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 24, 2023 7:52:26 GMT -5
I hear the MHR pipes are generally loud as hell so it doesn't surprise me the Stage6 is quieter. I don't have experience with lots and lots of pipes, but just from what I've messed with or been around lately... Quiet Silencers >>>>>>> Loud Silencers Stage6/Yasuni >>>> Malossi >>>> Ottopuntouno The S6 and Yasuni pipes have ample and elongated hole sizes in the baffle. Malossi has smaller holes in there. Not sure what the Otto looks like inside, but it's short. you basically have this thing together as a Vento Triton frame, Aerox fitted wheels and the RC-one engine fitted. Is that correct? Triton frame with all of the floorboard frame cut out in favor of foot pegs, anything I wasn't using cut out, and then some add-ons like radiator brackets, a DIY metal storage box where the front of the fuel tank used to be, extended the rear of the frame to make room for the aluminum fuel tank and to let a rear camera mount fit in there. Of course all different lights (all LED) and mounts for them, aftermarket bars, DIY frame brace (solid aluminum door handle), some random mounts for things. Wire harness built from scratch with almost all sealed connectors and a sealed fuse block. Front forks with cut springs and preload spacers and aftermarket rear shock. Aerox wheels and Aerox rear disc brake parts. Front wheel had to be machined to fit properly. 220mm front disc (RPM or Adelin) with RPM 4 piston caliper. Adelin levers. RC-One, mild case porting/smoothing/port matching, Polini Hi-Speed vari, Polini belt, Stage6 Torque Control clutch, sliders (toss rollers in the trash), MVT ignition w/DIY mounting plate and nut and a Zuma regulator (not regulating great, but as well as anything I've tried with this setup). Other than what's listed, it's what you'd get if you get an RC-One engine kit. If the above is true, its wild seeing the thing power wheelie, even with your previous builds. I don't know if the Triton is just such a long wheelbase or what but I have never gotten it close to wheelie even pulling up on the bars with the MHR build I had. This gives me hope, LOL! It would wheelie quite well with the TPR 86cc as well at low speeds. I could get on the front of the seat with that and launch it WOT with it staying down most of the time. It was great for quick reactions because I didn't have to think about throttle control. It's a great build IMO because it's pretty darn quick and way less money than lots of racing stuff. The RC-One has quite a bit of torque and I've never felt the pull that this thing has with any other small scooter engine. I'm part throttle for a bit even trying to takeoff quick or it tosses me back and comes up. My 103cc with a Peace Pipe wasn't bad for 10-15MPH wheelies, but couldn't hang with the 86cc and the RC-One is well beyond it. My scoot is higher though. I run longer than normal rear shocks. I've always liked keeping the rear up a little more and putting some weight on the bars because it feels more stable. High center of gravity is not good for keeping the front down. I could lower the front and rear, but there's not all that much front travel or clearance between the front tire and frame stuff for a heavy rider to be bouncing the scoot up and down as-is. I also have aggressive low RPM timing with the MVT. Been thinking about advancing it a few degrees more to get it around where Malossi's ignition is in the powerband and see if it goes harder, but that would put my timing around 45 degrees down low (currently 42). I'll prob try it eventually.
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Post by billwill on Jun 24, 2023 8:24:56 GMT -5
Quiet Silencers >>>>>>> Loud Silencers Stage6/Yasuni >>>> Malossi >>>> Ottopuntouno The older I get the more true this is for sure. Being a homeowner and having good neighbors makes a difference. I feel guilty for all the tuning runs leaving my house LOL. Triton frame with all of the floorboard frame cut out in favor of foot pegs, anything I wasn't using cut out, and then some add-ons like radiator brackets, a DIY metal storage box where the front of the fuel tank used to be, extended the rear of the frame to make room for the aluminum fuel tank and to let a rear camera mount fit in there. Of course all different lights (all LED) and mounts for them, aftermarket bars, DIY frame brace (solid aluminum door handle), some random mounts for things. Wire harness built from scratch with almost all sealed connectors and a sealed fuse block. Front forks with cut springs and preload spacers and aftermarket rear shock. That is... extensive. Wow. Lot's of love put into that. Well, I dig the look and there's something elegant about it even if its naked/wtf to the unfamiliar eye, haha. I'm sure you get plenty of looks. Aerox wheels and Aerox rear disc brake parts. Front wheel had to be machined to fit properly. 220mm front disc (RPM or Adelin) with RPM 4 piston caliper. Adelin levers. Yeah man I remember watching the video on your getting that front wheel to fit and thinking, welp, this is a pipe dream now for me. Tons of labor there. I don't have a lathe but would be up for tackling everything else. Did you just source the Aerox wheels off of ebay or did you buy new? Again, I would be willing to pay for a copy of those bushings if I could replicate that milling setup for the front wheel LOL! Loving following the build, can't wait to see what's next.
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Post by billwill on Jun 24, 2023 9:06:04 GMT -5
You know what, the more I think about it, I’m wondering if you ever looked into just swapping in a complete aerox front fork assembly? Seems they can be picked up at a reasonable price and I would bet the overall build quality and performance would be better than Vento’s.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 24, 2023 17:10:29 GMT -5
I never looked into the fork assy. I figured it couldn't be that tough to swap a front wheel. lol I got the wheels from x7rocks on the forum. First pair was melted by the powder coater. He had another set. You can always get in touch and see what he's got around now. He may be able to get the whole front assy.
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Post by billwill on Jun 24, 2023 17:25:18 GMT -5
I never looked into the fork assy. I figured it couldn't be that tough to swap a front wheel. lol I got the wheels from x7rocks on the forum. First pair was melted by the powder coater. He had another set. You can always get in touch and see what he's got around now. He may be able to get the whole front assy. Awesome thanks! And yeah you were in deep on that one but it turned out great.
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Post by tysta on Jun 25, 2023 1:32:14 GMT -5
I got the 12.5-ish degree halves on this morning. Everything seems to fit fine using the same mm of shimming that I was before. The plastic fan doesn’t feel that sturdy to me, but it’s probably fine. I checked the belt right before my ride to the beach and it was 19.4mm. Now it’s 19.3. So 0.1mm in 175 miles. 175 miles woulda been basically the whole belt life on my past Minarellis. I’m gonna try to get a ride in today, if the rain stays away at a time that I can go ride, to wear the belt if it needs to. The rear pulley is still the same so I dunno how much it really changes. 🤷♂️ I doubt I’ll try testing anytime soon. I’d like to not have wind and high humidity to potentially sway my results. Hi Bert I been following your project and I just saw your 2 last videos. And I found some interesting parts. I think you should make a flange for the s6 exhaust the way you had it on the video won't work correctly. Some cylinder configuration have a bit of a step between the cylinder port and the exhaust to prevent the fumes to return into the cylinder during the return allowing only the fresh charge to come back in. Another thing if I remember correctly or I didn't forgot You running red clutch springs and all the weights on to I think it my be a bit over kill All the weights on the clutch I usually see the slots going kinda side ways. For example I have a full 2fast 100cc3 I run orange springs with only 1 weight on the outer hole. Also are you still using 0.35 btdc for timing?
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Post by 90GTVert on Jun 25, 2023 1:48:21 GMT -5
I ordered 1.5" rod and 3/16" plate from McMaster-Carr earlier today, so I'll either screw it up or eventually we'll see if a matched flange improves anything. Multiple comments told me I didn't do a good comparison. I think bolting it on as Stage6 states (they say to use their flange with other cylinders) is fair. With no time before a car show and not knowing if it would work well at all, I was not about to worry about a custom flange... and I'll be a bit surprised if it does make a big difference. Hopefully we'll find out one day though.
I've only got 1 weight in the center for each clutch shoe.
Still at 0.35mm BTDC. Timing has been on my to-do list... sorta... but as stated a few posts ago I know it's going to make the timing a bit aggressive at lower RPM when I'm at part throttle if I advance it a little to make Malossi's spec for the powerband.
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Post by Lucass2T on Jun 25, 2023 4:20:35 GMT -5
I also have aggressive low RPM timing with the MVT. Been thinking about advancing it a few degrees more to get it around where Malossi's ignition is in the powerband and see if it goes harder, but that would put my timing around 45 degrees down low (currently 42). I'll prob try it eventually. Not sure if Malossi or Selettra carries cdi boxes which lets you program your own timing curve. Otherwise you could try one of those and program your own timing curve. And if you want to go all out get a carb with TPS and have that input to the curve as well. I know HPI has ignition kits which let you program your own curve. It comes with software and all. webshop.hpi.be/tunebox/
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Post by tysta on Jun 25, 2023 9:31:55 GMT -5
I ordered 1.5" rod and 3/16" plate from McMaster-Carr earlier today, so I'll either screw it up or eventually we'll see if a matched flange improves anything. Multiple comments told me I didn't do a good comparison. I think bolting it on as Stage6 states (they say to use their flange with other cylinders) is fair. With no time before a car show and not knowing if it would work well at all, I was not about to worry about a custom flange... and I'll be a bit surprised if it does make a big difference. Hopefully we'll find out one day though. I've only got 1 weight in the center for each clutch shoe. Still at 0.35mm BTDC. Timing has been on my to-do list... sorta... but as stated a few posts ago I know it's going to make the timing a bit aggressive at lower RPM when I'm at part throttle if I advance it a little to make Malossi's spec for the powerband. I understand you didn't had time but what I would do is get a new malossi flange. For some reason seems your scoot is losing power somewhere on the cvt. The 0.35 is a safe timing but not the correct one 0.35 is for the stock stroke and rod length you need to look over the crankshaft degrees.
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