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Post by utp9 on Dec 7, 2017 12:48:10 GMT -5
I am planning to buy a jog or Mach G so what upgrades should I get that make it as powerful as possible? I don't need anything that don't make noticable improvements like a new belt. Also everything needs to be plug and play, so no milling. Also I don't really have a budget (sky's the limi). Plus I live in Finland.
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Post by PIG on Dec 7, 2017 13:39:52 GMT -5
You don’t want to do any milling, but are you willing to swap the crankshaft out?
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Post by utp9 on Dec 7, 2017 14:09:46 GMT -5
You don’t want to do any milling, but are you willing to swap the crankshaft out? Yeah as long as It's plug and play, don't have access to a mill or anything.
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Post by hellish100 on Dec 7, 2017 14:18:55 GMT -5
I think neither is the answer. You want suggestions on something that can add as much power as possible but are on a limited budget, want something that just bolts on and aren't willing to do some milling or porting? I don't think you will get far trying to meet all of those requirements.
"You gotta pay to play" even with little 50cc scooters.
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 7, 2017 14:47:18 GMT -5
I voted yes. If you get a Minarelli, there are as many options or more for going fast as any scooter out there.
If by "I don't really have a budget" you mean the sky is the limit, and you don't want to modify parts at all, get a shop to build you a high end racing machine. Pay the bill, ride it around the block or track, and have a blast for just thousands of dollars.
If you meant that your budget is low, that's a whole different story. My number one advice there without knowing any more details is : Don't buy the cheapest parts you can find to save money now. You can find good quality parts at reasonable prices that are actually a much better value in the long run.
Also, intended use is good to know. You can make gobs of power with race parts, but IMO it wouldn't be a wise choice if you're just looking to go back and forth to work or the store or take long rides for leisure.
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Post by utp9 on Dec 7, 2017 15:23:10 GMT -5
I think neither is the answer. You want suggestions on something that can add as much power as possible but are on a limited budget, want something that just bolts on and aren't willing to do some milling or porting? I don't think you will get far trying to meet all of those requirements. "You gotta pay to play" even with little 50cc scooters. sorry I see how that could be misinterpreted, I meant as I don't really have a budget so it can pretty much cost as much as a bus, just wanted to know what options are out there.
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Post by utp9 on Dec 7, 2017 15:25:15 GMT -5
I voted yes. If you get a Minarelli, there are as many options or more for going fast as any scooter out there. If by "I don't really have a budget" you mean the sky is the limit, and you don't want to modify parts at all, get a shop to build you a high end racing machine. Pay the bill, ride it around the block or track, and have a blast for just thousands of dollars. If you meant that your budget is low, that's a whole different story. My number one advice there without knowing any more details is : Don't buy the cheapest parts you can find to save money now. You can find good quality parts at reasonable prices that are actually a much better value in the long run. Also, intended use is good to know. You can make gobs of power with race parts, but IMO it wouldn't be a wise choice if you're just looking to go back and forth to work or the store or take long rides for leisure. Alright thanks, yeah I meant as if I don't have a budget, but I'd like to do all the stuff myself, hence the plug and play. Also well it's gonna be used for commuting, general dumb stuff, and such.
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Post by spaz12 on Dec 7, 2017 16:25:13 GMT -5
Check out the For Sale section since there is a motor there that you just might like and is already built.
Just sayin.
EDIT: Just noticed that you are in Finland, which would be pretty expensive shipping.
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Post by 'O'Verse on Dec 7, 2017 23:13:28 GMT -5
70cc 2fast or Roost cylinder, 2fast matching crank, 2fast or jolly moto exhaust, and a brand name 28mm carburetor.
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Post by utp9 on Dec 8, 2017 3:51:39 GMT -5
Check out the For Sale section since there is a motor there that you just might like and is already built. Just sayin. EDIT: Just noticed that you are in Finland, which would be pretty expensive shipping. Yeah unfortunately but I want to get my hands dirty and do it all myself.
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Post by utp9 on Dec 8, 2017 4:04:37 GMT -5
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 8, 2017 7:03:29 GMT -5
it's gonna be used for commuting, general dumb stuff, and such. My question is, do we really think the 70cc 2FAST setup is a great commuter? I don't have experience with the high rev, high end, stuff... but I've always figured it was intended more for racing and play than heading to work or the store. Just chiming in to make sure no one missed this. These fellas use kits like that so they can tell you. I suppose I'm more conservative and tend to think of sport types as the reliable workhorse that can be beat on regularly and still last if tuned and maintained properly. You don't get monster power, but lower RPM and output mean less stress and makes them easier to tune.
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Post by utp9 on Dec 8, 2017 7:11:56 GMT -5
it's gonna be used for commuting, general dumb stuff, and such. My question is, do we really think the 70cc 2FAST setup is a great commuter? I don't have experience with the high rev, high end, stuff... but I've always figured it was intended more for racing and play than heading to work or the store. Just chiming in to make sure no one missed this. These fellas use kits like that so they can tell you. I suppose I'm more conservative and tend to think of sport types as the reliable workhorse that can be beat on regularly and still last if tuned and maintained properly. You don't get monster power, but lower RPM and output mean less stress and makes them easier to tune. Just wondering, why wouldn't it be good for commuting?
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 8, 2017 7:27:18 GMT -5
Just wondering, why wouldn't it be good for commuting? You can get there fast, but you can tear up parts faster too. All of that extra power and RPM is hard on stuff and requires more maintenance. For those of us without unlimited budgets, there's also a lot more money involved in the high end stuff. I was looking into a little more race-oriented build for myself just recently and I was trying to find someone that beat on a race engine for real street use... lots of miles, regular use, not babied, etc... and I can't seem to find it. I'm sure you can use them for that, but maintenance time/cost will be elevated. We did have 1 member that built a 94cc Polini Big Evo to ride to work, but his story was full of hurdles and didn't last that long. From what he showed us, he went really easy on it most of the time and barely wanted to hold it open long enough to check speed. At that point, I have to think why bother with all of the finicky race parts when you're only using the same amount of power that a sport kit has most of the time.
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Post by utp9 on Dec 8, 2017 7:47:29 GMT -5
Just wondering, why wouldn't it be good for commuting? You can get there fast, but you can tear up parts faster too. All of that extra power and RPM is hard on stuff and requires more maintenance. For those of us without unlimited budgets, there's also a lot more money involved in the high end stuff. I was looking into a little more race-oriented build for myself just recently and I was trying to find someone that beat on a race engine for real street use... lots of miles, regular use, not babied, etc... and I can't seem to find it. I'm sure you can use them for that, but maintenance time/cost will be elevated. We did have 1 member that built a 94cc Polini Big Evo to ride to work, but his story was full of hurdles and didn't last that long. From what he showed us, he went really easy on it most of the time and barely wanted to hold it open long enough to check speed. At that point, I have to think why bother with all of the finicky race parts when you're only using the same amount of power that a sport kit has most of the time. Ah that's a shame... Well what is durable yet fast at the same time?
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