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Post by Happypancake! on Feb 18, 2019 19:05:29 GMT -5
Can u vid the slip?
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Post by dotdash on Feb 19, 2019 7:14:54 GMT -5
I'll try and post one this afternoon if weather permits.
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Post by dotdash on Feb 19, 2019 9:36:42 GMT -5
Here's a quick upload from yesterday. Can you tell if the clutch is slipping while a scooter is stationary? youtu.be/GonrxVUYWBUWhen I get home today I'll get a video of me trying to go down the street. Prepare for a screaming Ruckus... I appreciate all the assistance so far +++
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Post by Happypancake! on Feb 19, 2019 12:01:38 GMT -5
That looks normal .
Make the vid w u giving it throttle. Watch if the variator closes
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Post by lilpinny on Feb 19, 2019 19:22:17 GMT -5
Watch it from looking down straight on top of it and make sure the belt is running straight across the pulleys.
You might just have a squeaky belt that's making noise. Diagnose that the same way you would for a car. If the pulleys are misaligned it'll work on that bearing and mess it up and possibly shake the drive face loose.
But then it could just be a worn belt.
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Post by dotdash on Feb 19, 2019 19:50:25 GMT -5
Got two videos. youtu.be/JV83CwR_AqIyoutu.be/o5kgTQ7WgRsSo, with my ignorance, I notice the belt vibrating a lot in the video. Is that indicative of anything? I also looked for what you mention about the variator but I couldn't really see anything. See, to me, the clutch bell lights up when it's on the centeratand with throttle. You would think the shoes are making contact... But then you go on the ride and nothing. So I'm not sure if I'm looking for the right thing here. Other than that, I'm not sure what to look for in these situations so please, learn me.
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Post by dotdash on Feb 19, 2019 19:52:09 GMT -5
Watch it from looking down straight on top of it and make sure the belt is running straight across the pulleys. You might just have a squeaky belt that's making noise. Diagnose that the same way you would for a car. If the pulleys are misaligned it'll work on that bearing and mess it up and possibly shake the drive face loose. But then it could just be a worn belt. Just missed your post. I will look again tomorrow for the alignment. Belt is pretty new. I may go back to the Polini belt that I originally took off. Thank you , I'll report back
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Post by Happypancake! on Feb 19, 2019 20:47:48 GMT -5
Your variator weights. Rollers or sliders?
If sliders, if u put in backward they won’t work.
Pull off the clutch. Use your hands to compress spring. Can u open it?
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Post by Happypancake! on Feb 19, 2019 20:50:10 GMT -5
I use Red Loctite on those nuts specifically. Achieving stiffness a a problem that a lot of guys have. You got this long shaft thing with a tip on the end that a nut won’t hang on to... But seriously, loctite is not superglue. You want to make sure that the nut and drive face is sitting flush on the shaft. If its has room to wiggle around it’ll shake it loose. I’d almost take that thing apart and hit it with a torch and a wire brush to clean all the old loctite off of it. Yeah. Use red lock tight on EVERY bolt on a GY6...............
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Post by dotdash on Feb 19, 2019 21:06:45 GMT -5
Your variator weights. Rollers or sliders? If sliders, if u put in backward they won’t work. Pull off the clutch. Use your hands to compress spring. Can u open it? Sliders, 5.5g and again, fairly new. I know it sounds like I have a bunch of 'new' parts but I have been slowly buying in pairs and so have stuff lying around. I just changed the sliders from 5g so that's why they are new. I can check again but I'm really good about ensuring they are in the correct orientation, dr.pulley logo on the right side and readable. When you say compress spring, like squeeze clutch together? Or try and pry it apart? A couple people on SEV Discord suggested this and I've tried: - In terms of prying the clutch apart, I cannot. I'm not strong but I'm also not weak. FWIW.
- Compress the contra(?) spring, I can try but probably can do no more than what I typically do when trying to remove the snap ring.
Tomorrow, I will take the clutch off and take many more pictures and try to pry and squeeze. I'll make notes of whatever I am able to accomplish. They're calling for bad weather, snow and ice stuff, so I may be delayed. Supposed to go pick up the car from SI so that's that small win... Oh yea, and the Riva is getting some head turns at work. So that was cool. What are your thoughts from the videos? Do you get the impression things *should* normal from your perspective?
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Post by dotdash on Feb 19, 2019 21:07:57 GMT -5
Is it possible for the clutch to be stuck in a closed state of some sort?
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Post by Happypancake! on Feb 19, 2019 21:21:39 GMT -5
It’s a squeeze open, compressing the spring.
I have put the sliders in backward and no go.
The GET clutch has these little tabs on one of the faces which can GET stuck. But if u tried two clutches the this highly unlikely .
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Post by Happypancake! on Feb 19, 2019 21:24:19 GMT -5
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Post by dotdash on Feb 19, 2019 22:06:39 GMT -5
It’s a squeeze open, compressing the spring. Duh, that makes sense. I didn't think that through fully... I will definitely give this another shot tomorrow. I couldn't get it to budge this past weekend though. What would be potential reasons why I would not be able to compress the spring? I will check the sliders again too but that diagram looks how I usually install them. I'm going to look for the tabs too, I may take some pics for a better reference.
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Post by dotdash on Feb 21, 2019 0:08:06 GMT -5
I haven't been back to the shed yet. Crappy weather and been dealing with getting SI for the car. Oh do I miss my scooter though. I think I'm going through withdrawals. So was on SEV Discord again and another member TxGeT suggested some YT videos to me. Thank you TxGeT Going through them, I found a few interesting parts I'd like to note and will be investigating tomorrow when I go back to the shed... First: youtu.be/-KbVhjvVyNI?t=38It never occurred to me that the 3 plastic caps were for the 3 'spikes' at the bottom of the rear pulley... I'm really curious if I essentially used my C clamps to force the compression of clutch with total disregard to this. Although, I don't necessarily see how this would affect the contra spring compressing because it wouldn't interfering with that force. Still want to check it out. Second: youtu.be/YDfQbczkFnI?t=70Is it possible my spring is catching the pulley, as he suggests, and thus losing the power? I tried looking back at some of my videos but I don't think I'm able to differentiate one way or the other. My follow-up question is what would I do to prevent this? I'm guessing the simple start is to clean all involved parts thoroughly and make sure there are no abrasions or cuts that cause friction/hangs. Hopefully I'll have more information, maybe even success, tomorrow. Edit: Also - cause I knew I really f***ed up one of these drive plates on the clutch... a new one is on the way and should be here on Friday. So I'm gonna use it, the best shoes, and best pulley/spring and build up a 'fresh' clutch lol. Maybe I'll be back on the road by then though.
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