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Post by 2strokd on Feb 14, 2012 9:01:11 GMT -5
Never riden one but we did have one run with us at the strip  It ran low 11,s at around 60ish (so theres thats answer  ) . 0-60 in around 4,s is fast car speeds :stars: Im sure there is a vid of it somewere. Here is a good one for now to keep you chomping at the bit :devil: This one is a built turbo unit :burnout: |
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Post by 90GTVert on Feb 14, 2012 9:11:35 GMT -5
I think they're cool. If I had that cash, I'd consider one. I must admit, a used sportbike would be very tempting too for that money.... but that's apples and oranges. To me a sportbike is purely about speed, with comfort and practicality cast aside. A maxi scooter like this combines a bit of speed, a lot of comfort, and a bit of practicality. You get 100+MPH speed capability, enough for a bit of headroom on most highways and to have some fun. Most sportbikes or cruisers (minus saddlebags and such) can barely carry a baby tool kit. The scooter does give you some storage space. We all ride scoots, so I think we all know how handy that can be. The comfort of a maxi-scooter isn't even comparable to most other two-wheelers. There are some comfy cruisers out there. The average cruiser still doesn't seem as comfy as a big scoot to me. To be fair, most of my seat time on either is sitting still. Even if a cruiser is comfy, you still have to shift. Not that it's a big deal for most, but you can sit back in your comfy seat, position your feet however feels best (since you have no footbrake or shifter to bother with), twist and go. Even if you're used to motorcycle controls, this has to be nice at times. I know when my friends with bikes ride my scoots or their own they always say it's so nice to not have to bother with the clutch and shifting for a change. Granted, this is of much less concern for highway cruising since you shouldn't be doing a whole lot of shifting on the open road. Would be nice with even an inexperienced passenger not to worry about bumping helmets on shifts. lol The MPG may not be amazing, but it's not bad. I love my little 2Ts, but even they only get 40-50MPG on average when I try to ride 40-50MPH most of the time. You could do way better on a 150, but have fun with that on a highway where traffic is doing 80MPH. The 250-300cc scooters can top it in MPG, but then with most you lose that extra speed and power for the highway. That Kymco that Reg posted does look cool. I think the decision between that and the Tmax would largely be do you want a little more speed or a little more MPG? Either one is cool, and I think it's great that we actually have options to get exactly what suits us best in a scooter. I'd have to go Tmax. The Mazda B3000 I drive, one of the slowest trucks on earth I feel lol, hits it's speed limiter at 92MPH (trust me, I've watched that needle bounce way too often). Something about not being able to outrun that would just bother me if I spent $6,000.  |
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Post by motorhead on Feb 14, 2012 9:14:58 GMT -5
Let me put on my psychologist hat and make a diagnosis here... I think he's pretty much talked himself into getting the T-Max. Stepthru and I mad great points but he's going on about the t-max because he likes it for its looks and is overlooking the performance specs. Yamaha did not do this bike justice. Take for example the Yamaha V-max... It's one of their most Kick But bikes ever, what is it? A cruiser with crotch rocket speed and power. What is the T-Max? A 500cc maxi scooter with entry level motorcycle power. For long trips I bought a 92 XJ600 Seca II. 60HP & 55MPG, and tops out at 135. It's a wide seat & comfy seating positioned sport tourer. I think too many of us assume that getting a motorcycle means getting a crotch rocket. Look up "sport touring". The only thing the T-Max has on my bike is a helmet compartment under the seat. I am not bashing scooters, just the big pricey ones. Attachments:
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Post by 2strokd on Feb 14, 2012 9:21:37 GMT -5
Those speed limiters are dangerous!!! I had an 03 Ranger 4x4 with a 4.0 (not too bad IMO) and it had a limiter at 92MPH. I found out the hard way. I was passing and pulling a trailer. I know 90+ with a trailer is stupid but i wasnt going to maintain that speed. Anyway, i was about around the pack of cars (one slowbie can ruin the whole trip) and the truck acts like i reach up and shit the key off. "NOT a good time" i thought as a car i coming head on in the other direction. Truck kicked back in just in time thankfully! That didnt last long after that, the speed limiter that is...Flashed the ECU and did away with that and did some other improvements as well. I liked that truck. My brother drives it now. I can always tell it from the others around here from its "pre-runner" stance i gave it . Sorry to stray off topic Brent brought up a good and bad memory. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Feb 14, 2012 10:06:39 GMT -5
Let me put on my psychologist hat and make a diagnosis here... I think he's pretty much talked himself into getting the T-Max. Stepthru and I mad great points but he's going on about the t-max because he likes it for its looks and is overlooking the performance specs. You're probably right... but aren't we all guilty of this. I know I've talked myself into a lot of stuff. As long as he's happy though, why shouldn't we be happy for him? Can you honestly say it's a bad choice if someone enjoys it and understands it's capabilities when they purchase it? You can debate the smartest choice for economy, speed, etc... but none of us can debate what it is that Aaron really wants and likes and none of us have to make his payments. I think too many of us assume that getting a motorcycle means getting a crotch rocket. I know I mentioned sportbikes. I'm very aware of other bikes. To me a sportbike is what a real motorcycle is all about. If I'm not gonna go super fast, it would be kinda nice to have the storage and lack of shifting with some still sporty styling. Again, we all have different tastes though. The only thing the T-Max has on my bike is a helmet compartment under the seat. Find someone with a T-Max and challenge them to a race on a road coarse or a long straight... but don't use either of your feet. See how close you come to that T-Max then. It's not that it's hard to ride a big bike with a manual, but some people don't want that. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Feb 14, 2012 10:09:11 GMT -5
Oh and Robert, I think the speed limiter on those trucks is a good thing. I dunno if the smaller ones are as bad, but this one's a dual sport so it's kinda jacked up. It really doesn't feel safe at speed and I've scared friends that aren't bothered by even my Mustang because it feels like it wants to roll so easy on turns. If you aren't half crazy like us, you really have no need to go that fast in one of those trucks. lol
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Post by motorhead on Feb 14, 2012 10:34:51 GMT -5
Yes, he is going to like what he likes and this is what makes us unique. Someone has to buy the T-Max so that we aren't all on the same bike. No one bike is perfect and you can set up a hypothetical situation that can handicap any bike. I am not bashing him, but when he goes on to say, and i quote "no one has anything bad to say about it." I beg to differ.
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Post by lauriejennifer on Feb 14, 2012 11:18:35 GMT -5
This is one of my all-time favorite T-Max videos:
I have a friend who has one all tricked out with go fast bits, but he deleted his YouTube channel, so I couldn't show ya.
Why do motorcyclists hate on scoots? I wonder. Scooters are awesome. I know mine is clearly a scoot-wannabe, but I'd love a little 2 stroke legit scoot. You guys already said it: comfort and practicality.
My KLX is like sitting on a 2x4 on top of a paint shaker.
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Post by motorhead on Feb 14, 2012 12:24:23 GMT -5
Why do motorcyclists hate on scoots? I am not hating on scoots. I love scooters. Just not maxi scooters over 300cc because of the low power/cc ratio. Tuned minarellis for example have the power/cc ratio of crotch rockets. And the low ownership costs and 75mpg+ you get on 150cc and under is unbeatable and should be most people's first vehicle in high school. |
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Post by Enviromoto on Feb 14, 2012 12:52:15 GMT -5
Ive had the chance to open a T-Max up and they are quick, nice, and comfy. However for that kind of money I'm buying a motorcycle.
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Post by 90GTVert on Feb 14, 2012 13:18:07 GMT -5
when he goes on to say, and i quote "no one has anything bad to say about it." I beg to differ. I think that meant more of it's owners and people interested in it. There are always people with bad stuff to say about everything. I do agree it could be more powerful, but then it may not be as reliable. They'd charge you more for it. Even if they could do the engine for the same cost, then the CVT has to handle the extra power and RPM. Remember the R6 makes a lot more power for only 100cc more, but it also turns a lot faster. Redline on the TMAX is around 8,000RPM and the R6 is 17,000RPM. |
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Post by Aaron420e on Feb 14, 2012 13:20:39 GMT -5
You all have excellent points.
I go away for a couple hours and the Tmax tread is blowin' up.
Practicality and reliability is why I want the Max. I just got done reading over 100+ page thread with Tmax owners and very few people have had any malfunctions with it. I'm not out there to go as fast as I can. I'm starting to sound like a old man. Lol. I just LOVE to RIDE. (on two wheels that is)
Plus if I want to have a little fun in the twisties I know that the Tmax can hang with the bikes too.
I know the Max is expensive but, even the cheapest new bike is around the same price range. Plus like Vert said "no storage". This would be my primary vehicle so its has to have it all.
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Post by Aaron420e on Feb 14, 2012 13:23:32 GMT -5
Also love the vids you guys (& gal) have posted. Keep em' comin'.
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Post by vvtr on Feb 14, 2012 13:35:11 GMT -5
Why do motorcyclists hate on scoots? you know myself and a few mates were rofling at this a while ago when we're out for a blast on the scoots.... do we get the nod? do we fk lol!. we're not real bikers  sure, when i go out on my sp or vtr im like a nodding dog returning all the friendly gestures (apart from the hd riders who even refuse to nod at their own unless they have the same amount of letters in their underpowered overpriced boneshaker bike name & same fragrance HD branded air freshener dangling from the same 3ft HD branded ape hangers....) so i give a silent smirk in my lid as i pass the bikes coming towards me... riding my ped is like having a day off from nodding  i try to get across the message that these things are great fun to ride, cost next to nothing to run & return good mpg... they'll learn! |
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Post by Aaron420e on Feb 14, 2012 13:52:58 GMT -5
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