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Post by Mrx2002 on Dec 21, 2014 23:41:48 GMT -5
Thats a good guy Brent!
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Post by hgoodloe25 on Dec 21, 2014 23:44:42 GMT -5
This is the exact reason I joined this forum! So much information and detailed post! BTW you said that you couldn't get it up to the 50 max (44mph actually) I tell ya once you get those 50 Tao Tao's broke in after say the first 700 miles or so they are good to go! I had one bought brand new and was the same way after riding and doing several oil changes and such I could bury the speedometer on flat ground without a problem and if I had a long enough flat stretch I could have probably went way past the 50mph on the speedometer. It wasn't even like I was trying! Great post this is the kind of stuff I love reading!
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Post by 2TDave on Dec 22, 2014 7:08:20 GMT -5
He's well beyond broke in on this one. Lol
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Post by Lucass2T on Dec 22, 2014 10:46:41 GMT -5
Sorry but did you say 40+hp on 125? Holly squirrel trails! My 72cc 4t has maybe 4hp. I've got some reading to do. The TM racing kz and various 125gp racing engines push it even further. They are around 50hp. The maximum output for two strokes is about 400hp per liter.
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 22, 2014 11:15:18 GMT -5
He's well beyond broke in on this one. Lol Yes. 3,000-something miles. Still runs the same as new. I really never have had the amazing changes from 500-1,500 mile break-in that some report. My fuel economy, acceleration, and speed have remained consistent from new till now, only changing with things I've done or worn parts and things like that. I checked my 0-30MPH times not too long ago and they were within about 0.2 seconds of where they were a year prior. Cruise speeds still roughly 30-35MPH. Still getting 80-85MPG mostly. One day I hope to own a wine scooter (gets better with age), but so far no luck.
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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 23, 2014 9:06:11 GMT -5
The seller came through and gave a full refund as promised.
I moved up from an 88 to a 92 main jet. It's been warmer and raining so it would do me no good to test run it since I'm looking for something that doesn't run lean at freezing and below temps. The wideband makes life much easier here. I don't really have to worry about test runs and instead can swap in a larger jet and watch the AFR to see where I'm at. This time of year it seems like there is no proper jet. If I jet it for 40-50 degrees it'll be lean at 20 degrees or if I jet it for 20 it'll be rich at 40-50. IIRC last year I was 10-12:1 at 40-50 degrees and could still touch above stoichiometric ratios briefly WOT at times in the low 20 degree range. I'd probably have less of an issue if I left some of the restriction in the air box, but I settled on leaving it like this early in Project TaoTao's life and plan to stick with it till I get into checking different air filter solutions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 21:57:14 GMT -5
Hi, Just wanted to stop and say thanks for all the work you've put in here. I've been reading this on and off for a couple of days now and I'm at page 48/56. There's so much information to be found in this thread, but it takes forever to read in the forum layout with other people commenting and just general irrelevant information. I think it would be worthwhile to take all of the information you've posted here and gathering it into a guide-type format. You could probably even make a few bucks by packaging it up into pdf and selling it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 22:41:05 GMT -5
Wow.. just finished reading everything. When I got to the part where your seat bucket broke, I got to thinking, rather than having a seat with a lid that flips out like normal, why not use some steel tubing to fabricate a frame where the seat just rests on the frame, maybe bolt the extra frame section on rather than welding so you have better access to everything. And when you're done you could use the space to create some type of pull-out drawer storage. That way you could access it without getting off the seat.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 12, 2015 8:21:58 GMT -5
I need all the underseat storage I can get. When I carry tools that takes most of the space, then add a change of gloves or throwing a flannel under there for when temps may change when riding so I'm prepared and it's full. I may end up doing something different if it breaks again, but I've always like the enclosed easy access underseat storage of my scoots.
I may condense the thread, but no plans of selling it.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 20, 2015 0:13:23 GMT -5
Rode the TaoTao from 10:30 to midnight for 29.1 miles. Fuel economy was low at 76.6MPG, but I recently rejetted for the cold. It's running around 12:1 air/fuel WOT at 30F. I richened up the idle mix as well. Plus I warm it up a minute in the cold and I'm always holding the throttle at red lights so it keeps powering the heated grips.
I think the battery is about done. I leave the Battery Tender hooked up full time. Still I haven't been able to start it or even get any sort of vigorous crank out of it even for a moment since it's been cold. I must kick start it. When I got gas after over an hour of riding all that happened when I tried to e-start it was the lights getting dim on the Trail Tech. I have been running the grip heaters cranked up, but it wasn't like this last winter. Haven't done any voltage checks.
It's kinda funny riding around town seeing people sitting in their running cars in winter coats and caps while the gas pump fills their tank as I ride by on a scooter.
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Post by blaq on Jan 20, 2015 11:13:14 GMT -5
Rode the TaoTao from 10:30 to midnight for 29.1 miles. Fuel economy was low at 76.6MPG, but I recently rejetted for the cold. It's running around 12:1 air/fuel WOT at 30F. I richened up the idle mix as well. Plus I warm it up a minute in the cold and I'm always holding the throttle at red lights so it keeps powering the heated grips. I think the battery is about done. I leave the Battery Tender hooked up full time. Still I haven't been able to start it or even get any sort of vigorous crank out of it even for a moment since it's been cold. I must kick start it. When I got gas after over an hour of riding all that happened when I tried to e-start it was the lights getting dim on the Trail Tech. I have been running the grip heaters cranked up, but it wasn't like this last winter. Haven't done any voltage checks. It's kinda funny riding around town seeing people sitting in their running cars in winter coats and caps while the gas pump fills their tank as I ride by on a scooter. I thought it was just me noticing my batt dying due to my heated hand grips, I have oxford over grips. Witch ones do you have?
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 20, 2015 13:01:18 GMT -5
I use Tusk heaters under my grips. I wired in a pulse width modulator to allow me to control the temp and power that they used. They need about 33W on full power and roughly 20W is all my scoot can handle without bad battery drain. I posted a bunch of info about the heaters and the PWM and power use in the thread below. I was riding around with them on about 3/4 power last night because my fingers were hurting so it was beyond the capabilities of my charging system. Still, last winter I could at least start the scooter with the e-starter at times. Now it's a no go. 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/7844/
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 28, 2015 14:32:12 GMT -5
I've racked up another 500 miles so it was time to do an oil change today. I took some recycling in town on the scoot to warm the oil up since it doesn't drain so well at 30-35F. It's windy today so even the little 4 mile ride is "fun". The air/fuel ratio hangs around 12:1, then a wind gust hits and it drops to 16:1 and bogs for a few seconds. So on a day like today I get hit in the side by wind and pushed that way and the bog drops forward acceleration so it feels a little like being surprised by a push to the side and a stop at the same time. At least it's better than strong headwinds. Then the combinations of gusts and steady winds with the bog from the gusts can make it bog off and on for quite a while while and stay on the lean side. It's done this for quite a while. I assume it has something to do with pressure/turbulence in the airbox since I opened it up long ago and it does not act this way under other heavy loads like pulling up a hill. It's only wind. I've also heard of this complaint from people using pod filters. Yet another reason that leaving the air box alone can be a good thing. I'm just keeping mine as-is for the sake of consistency during the project. It isn't an issue for my test runs and such because I don't do any performance or fuel economy stuff when it's windy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 18:42:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the update Vert. Looking forward to seeing more of your informative and very helpful posts and videos!
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 3, 2015 15:56:34 GMT -5
I went to start the TaoTao the other day, just to start it, and it wouldn't fire up. I drained the old gas and put fresh in it today. The gas wasn't that old, but it has been sitting for a bit since I've only taken short rides lately. Still no start. Checked and I had no spark. I went to unplug the stator connections and found one side of the connection for the pickup wire was broken off. Easy fix with a male bullet connector, solder, and heat shrink. I had spark again. Before putting the plug back I cleaned it up and inspected it. There was erosion on the center and ground eletrode after about 3500 miles of use and the threads on the plug boot end were getting worn so the boot didn't attach as securely as I'd like. It could have been re-used, but I replaced it to avoid potential issues later. Once the plug as back in the engine fired almost instantly. I had trouble with the e-start all winter long. I was hoping that it was only the cold and not the battery going downhill. Even though it starts easy now that it's warmer I wanted to check it out. It had 12.98V after charging and sitting for a few. It only dropped to 10.8-11.3V when cranking with the plug wire off for a few seconds. Good news there, I won't need to replace the battery.
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