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Post by treylaw on Nov 7, 2014 15:36:05 GMT -5
still till ether the issue with with the voltage regulaters is solved or i figure out whats wrong with my kick start it wont run
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Post by jhobe6678 on Nov 7, 2014 16:51:04 GMT -5
Well try to figure the voltage regulator first. Look through the tech section here, make sure you're ordering the right one. Not all are the same, meaning not all wiring is the same. Even though the connections may look alike, it doesn't mean each pin does the same thing. I know, it's confusing as hell. But take your time, do some reading, watch some videos. You're internet inclined, meaning use it. People watch YouTube videos and rebuild engines and all sorts of stuff.
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Post by treylaw on Nov 7, 2014 17:16:27 GMT -5
heres a video on what keeps hapaning to the voltage regulaters keep in mind my camera horizontally flips every thing youtu.be/NHSOhMMJclc |
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Post by jhobe6678 on Nov 7, 2014 17:53:05 GMT -5
I think the first thing you should do is try to inspect the wiring for cuts or loose connections. See if anything is shorting out visibly. If you have a multimeter, it will make life easier. I'm no expert on scooter wiring though and I barely know my way around what wires go where, but I'm sure if you did a search for your scoot and a wiring diagram, you'd find something. It's intimidating as hell, but if you take your time and make sure you have the right diagram by finding some wires on the diagram and confirm they are what's on the scoot, then you should be ok. Just take your time.
I'd look on the diagram for easy to find stuff first, headlights/tail lights, horn, things you can easily identify. If you see a wire is exposed or not connected, that could be your short right there. If you have a multimeter, you can set it to Ohms and look for shorts by connecting the negative (-black) to an exposed part of the frame or engine and start touching the wires with the positive (+red) and see if any give you a reading. If they do and the diagram says they're not, then that's a short.
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Post by 90GTVert on Nov 7, 2014 22:35:21 GMT -5
Wiring sucks, but the electric start is usually a much more reliable starter. I prefer to only kick start my four-stroke if the e-start is dead. Is it blowing the fuse and burning the connector at the regulator/rectifier only when you try to e-start it or does it happen if you just turn the key on? If it's only when you e-start, definitely check the starting system first. Could be something as simple as one of the big cables chaffed and grounding out.
I'm having a hard time telling what you are doing in the vid or what exactly could be wrong. Looks like maybe there's not a lot of tension on the spring, but again I'm having a hard time seeing it. I've been working on a vid for you to show the kick start install. It appears to me that you've got at least close to the right idea, but maybe you'll see something that's helpful? Maybe not? It's encoding now and then I'll have to upload it to YouTube and it's 1080P around 1 gig so it will take a bit to upload and then for YouTube to process it.
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Post by 90GTVert on Nov 7, 2014 23:10:17 GMT -5
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Post by niz76 on Nov 8, 2014 1:16:28 GMT -5
Awesome vid!  90GTVert has a ton of experience and skill and can make it look pretty easy. It may not go as easily as it did in the vid (I almost lost a fingertip doing my kickstart and ended up having to use two pair of vicegrips) but just keep at it and you'll get it. It can be tough trying to do these things without the correct tools. It can seem like a lot of $$ to dish out but if you keep slowly gathering tools and experience things like the kickstart will become no prob. |
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Post by jhobe6678 on Nov 8, 2014 5:36:59 GMT -5
Awesome vid! 90GTVert has a ton of experience and skill and can make it look pretty easy. It may not go as easily as it did in the vid (I almost lost a fingertip doing my kickstart and ended up having to use two pair of vicegrips) but just keep at it and you'll get it. It can be tough trying to do these things without the correct tools. It can seem like a lot of $$ to dish out but if you keep slowly gathering tools and experience things like the kickstart will become no prob. You wuss! I did mine with no vice grips and no fingertips were in danger! I bet your daughter could have done it first try!  Totally kidding with you lol. I took mine apart thinking I had to in order to get the CVT cover off. It was how I thought everything had to be done on the scoot. "Oh, you want to change that light bulb? You have to take the engine out..." So to my surprise when after 20 minutes of trying to figure it out on my own, I watched the YouTube video that someone else showed here and went back outside to try it again. Took a few tries but once I had the right tension on the spring, used a rubber mallet to knock the kick starter gear (the big half moon) down far enough to be flush, then I think I used a screwdriver to move it back to create the tension it needed. Wham! Trust me niz76 there were MANY times i've thought I was going to lose a finger, hand or even my dignity when working on cars and not the scoots. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Nov 8, 2014 7:39:47 GMT -5
I tried it a few ways because, as I said elsewhere in this thread, I haven't done kickstarters on these a lot. I did it as well by just twisting the gear and spring by hand, but found that it made the spring want to pop off for me more. Also tried using a screwdriver through the hole in the gear to work it around, but again not as simple as vice grips. The grips are what I'm used to using on my 2T and for me seemed the best way to control the spring easily for this as well. Of course by the time I did the vid I forgot to put the rubber/plastic ring on so I had to note it in the vid then go back later and redo it again to put that there, but at least I tried to cover where things would be in some detail so hopefully you can tell where things need to be for sure and possibly come up with your own method making use of what you have to accomplish it. Prob should have just redone it all on vid, but by then I was tired of it because I also have to move a cam around and try to talk without mumbling/jumbling my words during the process (IRL everyone is like "what did he say?").
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Post by treylaw on Nov 8, 2014 12:46:24 GMT -5
oh heres whats happing in the wireing every so often the conecter on that plugs in to the voltage regulater starts smokeing that thing then after that the fuzes start blowing the second you turn on the key and when i replace the voltage regularter its fine agen but useing the electric start seams to make this happen faster so ive been useing the kick starter and up until Wednesday of this week it was fine but i used the electric starter to turn start it after sitting for a month
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Post by treylaw on Nov 8, 2014 13:11:28 GMT -5
oh and nice video still cant assembel the dam kick start been at it for 3 hours
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Post by treylaw on Nov 8, 2014 13:22:22 GMT -5
still can put the fucker to gether
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Post by 90GTVert on Nov 8, 2014 13:45:39 GMT -5
e-start is the biggest load on the system so I guess it's just accelerating what's happening. There are some folks better with electrical issues here, but I would still do as jhobe suggested (EDIT : I mean better than me, not knocking jhobe) and first look for any obvious signs of a short like a power wire missing insulation or touching the frame or other wiring/connections. Start at the regulator and work your way out with the wiring.
If you're getting the kickstart lever together as shown in the vid and you still can't get it to stay together I would think either one of the parts needs to be replaced or it's indeed time to find a mechanic to install the kickstart parts. You could probably just take the cover in with the parts to save the effort of getting the whole scooter there. Another option could be trying to find a complete cover and gear assembly. I'd imagine that would run way more money than just taking it to a shop though, unless you can find a deal on eBay. If you continue working on it yourself, see if the snap ring is holding tight or if there's a lot of wiggle in the gears once assembled. The 4T kick start feels a little sloppy to me anyway, but if it wiggles around a lot it could be a worn shaft, bushing, or even the cover itself. Take some time and really look over the parts for damage or wear.
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Post by treylaw on Nov 8, 2014 14:29:21 GMT -5
well the white wire on the voltage regulater plug pulled right out of it conecter ive traced it up to the stator so what can that mean
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Post by treylaw on Nov 8, 2014 15:40:40 GMT -5
ive also found a connetcter for the solanodie thats missing a plastic peace on one side
and the plug for my cdi has 6 pins but ownly 5 wires
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