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Post by lostforawhile on Aug 5, 2017 22:11:53 GMT -5
Well any suggestion wee I can go in ga my suggestion was to get a clear picture of the broken bolt, how much space around it etc, so we can figure out how to help you
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Post by floyd2133 on Aug 6, 2017 7:05:14 GMT -5
please get a good picture of the broken bolt, so we can see what you are working with, and try not to piss off the mechanical Gods by using an easy out, which will only result, in a broken bolt,with a super hard broken easy out, broken in it, which is nearly impossible to remove I'm not currently near my scoot right now this a better discription to where the screw is until I get time to take a real live image a66.tinypic.com/2hok5mb.jpg
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Post by lostforawhile on Aug 6, 2017 12:29:29 GMT -5
you go the other one out right? you may have to end up using the dremell to groove the broken bolt like a screw
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Post by floyd2133 on Aug 6, 2017 15:53:30 GMT -5
you go the other one out right? you may have to end up using the dremell to groove the broken bolt like a screw Yea the other one just screws out
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Post by FrankenMech on Aug 6, 2017 18:19:25 GMT -5
Well any suggestion wee I can go in ga Wee behind a tree... Other than that, any scoot shop has had to dig out a broken bolt many times. That particular spot is fairly easy after you get the wheel and starter off.
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Post by floyd2133 on Aug 6, 2017 20:23:41 GMT -5
Seems like fixing that e-start will save you some headaches. A less expensive Dremel(off brand) will work also. Check reviews. Will this do ?
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Post by jackrides on Aug 7, 2017 17:34:42 GMT -5
Has anyone really successfully used an Easy-Out? Please exclude the ones you heard about from a friend who heard it from their cousin who heard it from ... Thanks! If I knew how to quote by pushing buttons, I would but I don't so here it is the old fashioned way: FrankenMech "Removing broken fasteners is an essential skill for working on scooters." Maybe that's a chapter title for the Essential Scooter Book?
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Post by lostforawhile on Aug 7, 2017 17:56:44 GMT -5
Has anyone really successfully used an Easy-Out? Please exclude the ones you heard about from a friend who heard it from their cousin who heard it from ... Thanks! If I knew how to quote by pushing buttons, I would but I don't so here it is the old fashioned way: FrankenMech "Removing broken fasteners is an essential skill for working on scooters." Maybe that's a chapter title for the Essential Scooter Book? I hate the dam things, and i'm a machinist
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Post by greginisn on Aug 7, 2017 21:01:04 GMT -5
Floyd If you do Dremel out a slot wear some eye protection. Those cut-off wheels break easily.
Dan What's the deal about moving the kick start lever to the one o'clock position. Why does that help prevent breakage?
Greg
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Post by FrankenMech on Aug 7, 2017 22:04:11 GMT -5
Ditto on the eye protection.
I have used an easy out successfully, but I broke a few before I learned how. An easy out can NOT be used by hand. They must be used in a rigid setup with everything clamped so it can't move except in rotation. Used on a part held in a drill press vise clamped to the table with the easy out held in the drill press chuck will work. Easy outs are extremely hard and brittle, any side to side movement will shatter them. Maybe some of the more expensive tools are heat treated so they are case hardened and ductile in the center. I have an old Hansen set I use.
I don't know if there are any vids available on removing broken fasteners. I haven't looked. Maybe someone can work one up that has camera's and skills.
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Post by floyd2133 on Aug 7, 2017 22:11:16 GMT -5
Ditto on the eye protection. I have used an easy out successfully, but I broke a few before I learned how. An easy out can NOT be used by hand. They must be used in a rigid setup with everything clamped so it can't move except in rotation. Used on a part held in a drill press vise clamped to the table with the easy out held in the drill press chuck will work. Easy outs are extremely hard and brittle, any side to side movement will shatter them. Maybe some of the more expensive tools are heat treated so they are case hardened and ductile in the center. I have an old Hansen set I use. I don't know if there are any vids available on removing broken fasteners. I haven't looked. Maybe someone can work one up that has camera's and skills. The video is in the post with the dremmel pic
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Post by badpumpkin on Aug 8, 2017 18:31:37 GMT -5
My go to are reverse driil bits. They are available at auto part stores.
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Post by greginisn on Aug 8, 2017 19:32:46 GMT -5
I've not had good luck with ez outs either but have used a drill press to drill thru the buggered screw. I have also used the method of drilling a small hole near the edge of the broken screw and using a small punch and hammer to unloosen the screw. Maybe it's crude but it may work for you.
Not to steal your thread but while working on my new Tao 2 I found some of the CVT cover bolts amazingly tight and was afraid of breaking things while trying to loosen some of the bolts. Now that would have been a total bummer but all is OK.
Greg
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Post by jackrides on Aug 8, 2017 22:46:18 GMT -5
1. I think that the 1 oclock position gives a longer throw on the lever and therefore can be done more gently that a short rotation. 2. How do we start a new thread on fastener removal? It is time to condense all the techniques into dealing with a stripped fastener or fastener head vs stripped hole for it. Seems like a lot of bytes to deal with a whole problem. There has got to be a way to address these issues without making it sound like a sick joke. Any suggestions? (No offense to sick jokes, they have their place [yes they do]).
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Post by lostforawhile on Aug 8, 2017 23:14:15 GMT -5
1. I think that the 1 oclock position gives a longer throw on the lever and therefore can be done more gently that a short rotation. 2. How do we start a new thread on fastener removal? It is time to condense all the techniques into dealing with a stripped fastener or fastener head vs stripped hole for it. Seems like a lot of bytes to deal with a whole problem. There has got to be a way to address these issues without making it sound like a sick joke. Any suggestions? (No offense to sick jokes, they have their place [yes they do]). if you do break an easy out off in your engine, keep plenty of beer on hand to drink afterwards, you'll need it, also keep some junk tools around to throw, then when you can't find them after drinking the beer, dealing with the fact your it's probably cheaper to now, replace the block, your good tools will be safe. You will find the junk tools, later, when you run over them in high grass, and ruin your tire. Being originally from Northeast Ohio, the hatred of easy outs increases the further north you go, from the Mason Dixon line, when you get to Ohio, where every single bolt on anything, is rusted solid, from the dam road salt, they are usually used in desperation, after everything else fails, even though at that point, the chances of a rusted bolt, magically turning, are slim to none.
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