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Post by AtariGuy on Mar 2, 2017 2:51:55 GMT -5
Oh man the stator was different? Not exactly sure how much of a difference the # of coils makes-might not matter- so you may want keep it around for your next build lol. The outside diameter of the coils on the 6 coil from you is too large for the flywheel, i just couldnt get the flywheel installed. When i can, i'll get the diameters. The 7 pole stator has a smaller outer coil diameter and fits under the flywheel. I had to scavenge a base from a junk stator i got and respliced all the wiring from the stator that came with the scoot, i'll have to get pics of it to show youse guys. So future reference, starors arent exactly interchangable. Check flywheel clearances |
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Post by niz76 on Mar 2, 2017 3:01:31 GMT -5
Oh man the stator was different? Not exactly sure how much of a difference the # of coils makes-might not matter- so you may want keep it around for your next build lol. The outside diameter of the coils on the 6 coil from you is too large for the flywheel, i just couldnt get the flywheel installed. When i can, i'll get the diameters. The 7 pole stator has a smaller outer coil diameter and fits under the flywheel. I had to scavenge a base from a junk stator i got and respliced all the wiring from the stator that came with the scoot, i'll have to get pics of it to show youse guys. So future reference, starors arent exactly interchangable. Check flywheel clearances Aww bummer man. Sorry about that. I shoulda sent the flywheel along with it! Glad you got it sorted though. |
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Post by AtariGuy on Mar 2, 2017 13:24:25 GMT -5
Its just a temporary fix for the test start and break in. I found a few 7 coil 5 wire stators on ebay for 19 bucks free shipping that i'll pick up in april. I should probably note that i still need to toss a few more parts at it before i do test starts, i gotta get 12mm circlips, the large oil seal, the fan bolts and a few cvt cover bolts yet. I just wanted to get this all together before i started forgetting the details of how it came apart
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Post by AtariGuy on Mar 4, 2017 2:43:14 GMT -5
So a little off the build, but a fun to note story, i work at a convenience store that is a favorite stop for the city officers. Quite often we get into talk of idiots, crazy calls, and even discuss trivial details on motor laws (i've gleaned a nice share of info on what i'm allowed to get away with performance-wise.) And in turn, i've shared some generalized info on my wife and i's scooters. They got to see my scoot first hand when i got it back home to help me verify its clean bill of sale, and have been checking in on my rebuild progress. They see the pictures i have and the progress i've made. Apparently i'm going to get pulled over my first day out on my venice, but thats because they have a wager to see which of them will get their first ride on it. I've also been told the only performance issue they may have would involve a noise violation. They even offered to help me check its decibel levels so i'd be in compliance too! I don't know if i should push my luck and ask them for a speed trap lol
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Post by AtariGuy on Mar 4, 2017 2:47:15 GMT -5
Side note, is a speeding ticket verifiable evidence to get on the scoot speed list? Lol
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Post by niz76 on Mar 4, 2017 3:00:48 GMT -5
I'd vote yes! lol
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Post by niz76 on Mar 4, 2017 3:05:51 GMT -5
So a little off the build, but a fun to note story, i work at a convenience store that is a favorite stop for the city officers. Quite often we get into talk of idiots, crazy calls, and even discuss trivial details on motor laws (i've gleaned a nice share of info on what i'm allowed to get away with performance-wise.) And in turn, i've shared some generalized info on my wife and i's scooters. They got to see my scoot first hand when i got it back home to help me verify its clean bill of sale, and have been checking in on my rebuild progress. They see the pictures i have and the progress i've made. Apparently i'm going to get pulled over my first day out on my venice, but thats because they have a wager to see which of them will get their first ride on it. I've also been told the only performance issue they may have would involve a noise violation. They even offered to help me check its decibel levels so i'd be in compliance too! I don't know if i should push my luck and ask them for a speed trap lol Sounds a lot like my area. You can blow down the road at 60mph on a scooter and they don't care. (I think they actually prefer a scoot that isn't holding up traffic haha). Even if it's a 60mph+ highly modified scoot, as long it's registered as 49cc- no Motorcycle endorsement or insurance needed! |
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Post by AtariGuy on Mar 4, 2017 3:25:45 GMT -5
Sounds a lot like my area. You can blow down the road at 60mph on a scooter and they don't care. (I think they actually prefer a scoot that isn't holding up traffic haha). Even if it's a 60mph+ highly modified scoot, as long it's registered as 49cc- no Motorcycle endorsement or insurance needed! basically a small town cop shop lol these guys all have gas powered toys and enjoy hunting season too, so i know that since i'm on their good side, they'd let me get away with a little recklessness. And thats almost word for word what they said, "the engine code says 49cc, i'm not about to tear the head off and check the bore and stroke. Thats such a waste of time for a $250 dollar infraction. As long as you're not risking harm to anyone else, we won't even bother" and since they know me, they generally won't go out of their way stalking me for a citation. I own very obvious vehicles here anyway - example, wife's bright yellow monte carlo ss with a full rear window batman vinyl lol |
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Post by AtariGuy on Mar 14, 2017 20:01:14 GMT -5
I posted in general topics about a cylinder kit i ordered for this build, ( 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/18255/update-pfs-47mm-cylinder-kit ) mostly as a means to discuss what i could do to still make this cylinder work. I still plan to work with this cylinder, at least now i can take my time with it. I did receive my new cvt cover and kickstart bits plus some miscellaneous stuff i'll neglect to mention. fugaziiv (Matt at PFS) has been absolutely amazing helping me out, and there is a new kit on its way. Thank you a hundred times over Matt! I can't wait to see a prime cylinder! |
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Post by AtariGuy on Mar 14, 2017 20:37:15 GMT -5
My next upgrade is a Tecnigas Silent Pro exhaust, expanded performance over stock, but with a sleepy stock look. As much as i would love to step into a next R or a trek, i have to keep a slightly lower profile for the first season out or so. I'm also looking into a dell 19-21 phgb, but i'm told i need to look into special bits for premixing? Would anyone be familiar with which part numbers or sizes they are exactly? Plus what profile needle(s) should i consider?
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Post by 90GTVert on Mar 15, 2017 11:01:05 GMT -5
I'm also looking into a dell 19-21 phgb, but i'm told i need to look into special bits for premixing? Would anyone be familiar with which part numbers or sizes they are exactly? What special bits? I've got 3 19-21mm PHBGs and all have only been used with pre-mix, and all I ever did was cap off any unused ports. Not related to premixing, but if you want to use the stock airbox, you'll wanna get this : www.treatland.tv/dellorto-PHBG-adapter-p/phbg-velocity-stack-093650082.htmI've used a 38mm adapter before, but it's a pain to get the airbox on. I can't for the life of me recall what needles I have in my carbs. I bought I bunch, but I just look at what I need when I'm tuning and compare to what the needle should do based on dimensions.  |
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Post by pinkscoot on Mar 15, 2017 11:24:24 GMT -5
My next upgrade is a Tecnigas Silent Pro exhaust, expanded performance over stock, but with a sleepy stock look. As much as i would love to step into a next R or a trek, i have to keep a slightly lower profile for the first season out or so. I'm also looking into a dell 19-21 phgb, but i'm told i need to look into special bits for premixing? Would anyone be familiar with which part numbers or sizes they are exactly? Plus what profile needle(s) should i consider? I'm sorry I've been following this thread but forgot if you're keeping plastics. The reason I say that is my pink scoot is a twin of the Venice and when I put a Silent Pro on it was great for power but hit the body when I did bumps. I tried a bigger shock but then the air box didn't fit. I ended up with a generic exhaust and all was good. Just a word of warning. |
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Post by AtariGuy on Mar 15, 2017 11:38:07 GMT -5
What special bits? I've got 3 19-21mm PHBGs and all have only been used with pre-mix, and all I ever did was cap off any unused ports. Not related to premixing, but if you want to use the stock airbox, you'll wanna get this : www.treatland.tv/dellorto-PHBG-adapter-p/phbg-velocity-stack-093650082.htmI've used a 38mm adapter before, but it's a pain to get the airbox on. I can't for the life of me recall what needles I have in my carbs. I bought I bunch, but I just look at what I need when I'm tuning and compare to what the needle should do based on dimensions.  i recall reading that most dell phgbs are set up factory to run on 4 strokes and for our minas, we have to change atomizers and such or it wont run. Is there a howto thread on new dell setups for our 2t scoots? I think i read on tuning, but nothing really on what parts one needs when ordering new other than one needs to change a couple things over to 2t |
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Post by oldgeek on Mar 15, 2017 11:42:10 GMT -5
This is my go-to info on the PHBG carb, provided by member Corrosion . I am sure you already know some of this stuff Idle circuit & jet: The usual range of idle jet's I have used range from 38-50. 40-42 being airbox / snorkle out 70cc types, with some added air vents on the filter side. The Idle circuit is active throughout the throttle range. I doesn't start and stop. it is present the whole time. It has less effect at open throttle than at idle, but all the same it is operational closed to full open. You want it rich enough to bump in and out, (Four Stroking) at idle. Then cleaning up at throttle opening. Slide Cutaway: This is where the Slide Cutaway (the Angle cut on the Front Side of the Slide) has the most effect. The angle changes the way the air stream hits the needle / needle bushing. 40-50 is the most commonly used slides. I am partial to a 45. (a 40 filed down slightly) You can make a slide leaner by filing the angle profile steeper. (Have not found a way to go richer so be conservative) The more angle the more dispersed the air flow will be so it doesn't have as much suction at the needle. So it will have less draw. Consequently it will be leaner with the same needle settings. As the throttle opens, it decrease the effect as there is less slide in the air stream. Needle & Bushing: This is when you are full on the needle setting and bushing type. The AU style needle bushing has a C effect to the engine side this is because it helps with the 2-T engines, pulse in the intake stream. As the reeds do there one way magic. The Main: Main Jet works directly with the needle / needle bushing. It is the size of the straw in the drinking glass, so to speak. A larger jet will add more fuel from 1/2 throttle on up. In reality it is more than that, but theory will argue it at 1/2 throttle. So when checking for proper main jet operation you want to be WOT, (wide open throttle). And be there long enough to get a true burn on the correct # plug. The W-7* & W-9, are My go to needles with a PHBG 19mm /21mm Carburetor on an Air-Box. W-6 seems to like the pod type filter better. IMO Most all parts are interchangeable between the PHBG 19mm & 21mm. Stage 6 - Has a nice performance mixture screw. It is extended and knurled. If you have access to the screw it makes it a nice feature. The whole trick to carburetion is getting a seamless transition between all stages. "Idle jet & mix / Cutaway / Needle / Main Jet." The PHBG is a highly tunable Carburetor. Make sure the Choke is working properly and opening and closing fully. And the float is set 15.5 16.5. You need to be no more than a main jet size or two off, or you will be effecting the bottom side settings. Make sure your Air Filter is clean And oiled. Your plug should be Gapped,clean,and in the proper heat range. But not a brand new plug either. The Spark Plug and the Seat-o-Meter, will guide you to Carburetor Nirvana. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Mar 15, 2017 12:01:14 GMT -5
i recall reading that most dell phgbs are set up factory to run on 4 strokes and for our minas, we have to change atomizers and such or it wont run. Oh, OK. I thought you meant specific to premix, not 2Ts in general. There are 2 atomizer bushings/nozzles that may come in the PHBGs. One is for 4T and one is for 2T, and they're shown HERE. Both of my 21mm black PHBGs came with the right nozzle. I ran my 19mm for a while before realizing it wasn't the nozzle that technically should be used, but it worked fine. It was a bit more of a bear to tune though. If you check listings you may find specs that tell which parts are in the carb from some sellers. Here's a little help if you're looking to use a stock throttle cable : 49ccscoot.proboards.com/thread/6391/installing-dello-style-carb-cable |
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