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Post by 'O'Verse on Apr 8, 2017 12:03:29 GMT -5
As that box might serve its purpose. It definetley loses it in the 500 tmax toughness category. The bag on the other hand is one sexy mofo. I'd definetley want the bag myself. The you tube videos of what people do to there 500's is insane. I'm guessing pricey cvt mods. I think this bike is perfect for you 90. Youve been known to put some miles on a scooter. Cruising those long stretch of roads at a occasional 80-90 mph couldn't hurt either. Being the Administrator and at the top of the list goes hand in hand. Doesn't it....
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Post by Florida Antique on Apr 8, 2017 13:27:27 GMT -5
I did a bit more looking at top case mounts. I'm not really digging any of them much. GIVI, Shad, Hepco & Becker, and some others make mounts for various cases. All of the ones I looked at range from $120 to over $200, so I'm not seeing anything much cheaper than the Yamaha mounts and these often involve drilling more holes in the top fairing and/or using tubular supports that go to the fender mount. At least one even replaces the fender bracket with a heavy duty version for the supports to mount to. The example below is the GIVI SR364.  All of the mounts, Yamaha and aftermarket, seem to support 10-15lbs maximum load which is about on par with what most of the non-heavy duty top cases seem to support. I'm starting to think I should just get a Yamaha rack and strap a bag to it if I need to. Downside there is I prob won't bother to take the scooter if I want to grab anything from a store as I would if I had a case that went on in a few seconds to support about anything of reasonable weight that I could throw in there easily and without needing to figure out some way to tie whatever down without scratching/damaging the scoot each time. For any sort of overnight outing that I may take, I don't need much more than a change of clothes or two and a few toiletries aside from riding gear to support different temps. That stuff may even fit in a console bag and under the seat if I lock my helmet outside the seat. The console bag is still expensive for what it is at ~$100 for Yamaha part number 4B5-W0750-00-00.  Part of me feels like a fool putting this much thought into some bags/cases, but I like the way this thing looks and I don't want to ruin it with junk accessories or scratches and nicks from rigging things onto it. Damn, it's so much easier in some ways owning ugly Chinese crap. You think that's bad, just wait until you start looking at the mounting options for your phone and GPS 😀 |
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Post by stepthrutuner on Apr 8, 2017 15:32:10 GMT -5
Good to see you finally pulled the trigger on getting a max scoot.  You will enjoy the freedom of owning a scooter capable of going anywhere now. Leaving the cage at home and the fuel savings will be great. I really think you should get a detatchable top case as it will greatly enhanse the ease of cargo hauling. Unfortunately, looks and utility rarely go hand in hand so that's up to you ultimately. The tunnel bag looks sharp but makes getting on or off much like a motorcycle which wouldn't work for me at least. Also when the weather turns cold again you'll need a large windshield. You should consider one with wings at the bottom to shield your hands. The TMAX is sexy but personally I prefer the much larger underseat cargo space in my Burgman. Does the Yammy have mpg readout like my Burgman? I couldn't see spending $100 or more for a top case mount so I ordered a 3/4" plastic cutting board and made my own. You can even get them in black. But then that may not suit your asthetic sensabilities either. Enjoy!  |
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 8, 2017 15:44:53 GMT -5
The you tube videos of what people do to there 500's is insane. I'm guessing pricey cvt mods. If you have plenty of cash to spare, you can do all sorts of things. If there's 1 mod that I'm considering to some degree, it's the CVT. The Malossi OR would be great, but I'm not sure that just a variator wouldn't be pretty close. Someone on YouTube showed about 8 seconds 0-60 for the TMAX. Then with the OR it was 5.9 IIRC, and with just a Malossi variator 6.2. That's quite impressive for a CVT only IMO. Not necessarily the time, but the improvement. I looked at J. Costa variators first, but people are saying they don't last and they're expensive. Here's some stuff to browse to give you an idea of what's around for the 500cc TMAX. scooterpartsco.com/yamaha-scooter-parts/yamaha-t-max-500?sort=20a&page=1There are some turbo and nitrous builds that look quick/fast. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 8, 2017 16:02:46 GMT -5
Does the Yammy have mpg readout like my Burgman? I was wondering how long before you popped in.  No eco gauge. Speedometer, tach, coolant temp, fuel gauge, odometer, 2 trip odometers, a drive belt odometer, and an oil change odometer. I wish all of my vehicles had an oil change odometer that would flash "OIL" at me when it's time to change like this. IIRC the manual said it goes off after 3,250 miles. I couldn't see spending $100 or more for a top case mount so I ordered a 3/4" plastic cutting board and made my own. You can even get them in black. But then that may not suit your asthetic sensabilities either. I just can't do it. It's kinda like my Mustang before I got rid of it. If I have something that I really like and think looks nice, I don't want to put anything on that I feel detracts from appearance too much. I think I could deal with the Yamaha racks out back, but I wouldn't leave a case on all of the time. That's why I've spent the time to try and figure out how to have just a semi-sporty looking rack without mount plates and accessories that will allow me to pop a case on quick. It's easy enough I guess, just not on any reasonable budget.  I like the Burgmans. They're almost certainly the more sensible choice. I'd have less qualms with a top case on a Burgman anyway, because they look like they belong there. Some of the boxes look almost like the back of them. |
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Post by stepthrutuner on Apr 8, 2017 18:07:58 GMT -5
I love my glove boxes. Not a lot of room in the left one as it houses tbe battery also but the one on the right is probably bigger than those of a lot of cars. I once put a Subway foot long straight down in it lengthwise and hardly crushed it. What do you think of the oil bath clutch?
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 8, 2017 21:18:54 GMT -5
I love my glove boxes. Not a lot of room in the left one as it houses tbe battery also but the one on the right is probably bigger than those of a lot of cars. I once put a Subway foot long straight down in it lengthwise and hardly crushed it. Dang. Mine aren't that spacious, but I was just telling a friend the other day it's the first time I've ever actually put gloves in a glove box. What do you think of the oil bath clutch? Well, it seems to work consistently so far. Hope that continues. Seems odd not to have the clutch on the pulley. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 8, 2017 21:32:45 GMT -5
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 9, 2017 6:52:28 GMT -5
I've been digging up some more info for the TMAX; looking for OEM and aftermarket maintenance items and doing some quick price checks. In case it's helpful to anyone else :
Engine Oil Filter
Yamaha 5DM-13440-00-00 ($15-20)
HIFLOFILTRO HF147 or HF985 (Under $10)
Malossi 0313639 ($10-15)
K&N KN-147 ($10-15)
Engine Air Filter
Yamaha 4B5-14451-00-00 (~$20)
HIFLOFILTRO HFA4507 (~$12)
Left Side CVT Filter
Yamaha 4B5-15407-00-00(~$40)
HIFLOFILTRO HFA4508 (~$15)
Right Side CVT Filter
Yamaha 5GJ-15408-00-00 (~$25)
HIFLOFILTRO HFA4506 ($15-20)
CVT Belt
Yamaha 5VU-17641-00-00 (~$125)
Malossi Kevlar 6114674 (~$100)
Polini 248.067 (~$100)
I've tried searching about the aftermarket belts for the TMAX, but I don't find many people posting about them. I did find some no-name kevlar belts for about $50. From my experience with smaller scooters, I will stay far far away from the cheap generic belts. I found one person (who happened to sell the aftermarket belts) saying the aftermarket belts work fine. Otherwise, many seem to prefer to use genuine Yamaha replacement belts. I will likely use a Yamaha belt, as it has by far the greatest record of reliable service reported. A bit of an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" methodology.
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Post by stepthrutuner on Apr 9, 2017 9:29:15 GMT -5
I suppose the TMAX uses a spin on oil filt.? My Burgman uses an internal paper element filt. They cost ~1\2 what a spin on costs probably. I've been using K&N brand. Would prefer a spin on, however.
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Post by stepthrutuner on Apr 9, 2017 9:41:18 GMT -5
Your air filt. is inexpensive. About 1/2 the cost of one for my Burg. I've been gently washing my paper element filter in Dawn with good results. Takes forever to dry out though. Best put in oven at lowest setting. The element seems to hold up well but I will buy a new one soon. This procedure via a veteran Burgman rider on Burgman Rider's Forum.
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Post by niz76 on Apr 9, 2017 10:59:36 GMT -5
Whaaat?? 4 pages deep and I just found that you got a TMAX!! Awesome! Congrats man!
Also cool to hear what a comfy ride it is!
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 9, 2017 11:07:53 GMT -5
I suppose the TMAX uses a spin on oil filt.? My Burgman uses an internal paper element filt. They cost ~1\2 what a spin on costs probably. I've been using K&N brand. Would prefer a spin on, however. Yeah, they're spin on. They recommend changing every 3 oil changes. I'm used to cars/trucks with filters where it gets changed every time. I may just change them each time or at least every other. The oil can't really be too clean. Your air filt. is inexpensive. About 1/2 the cost of one for my Burg. I've been gently washing my paper element filter in Dawn with good results. Takes forever to dry out though. Best put in oven at lowest setting. The element seems to hold up well but I will buy a new one soon. This procedure via a veteran Burgman rider on Burgman Rider's Forum. At ~$12, I'll just change it roughly every 12,000 miles as recommended unless it looks clean. Yamaha says to clean the 2 CVT related filters every 4,000 miles. Some of their service requirements are very reasonable, some I don't believe many follow... like replacing all brake hoses every 4 years. I'm gonna take a guess that these are 6 years old, and look fine anywhere I can see them without panel removal and the brakes are very firm. The Burgmans, especially 400s, seem to be the choice for DIYers and overall maintenance is reported to be cheaper and easier than other models. The CVT being behind panels and taking hours to perform any service on really runs up charges on these TMAXes (not sure how I should pluralize that name lol). I was reading more and saw some being charged $300 for the belt and then multiple hours at ~$100/hr. It's said that some of the big services like 12,000 mile and 25,000mile (IIRC) can be well over $1,000... which is a big chunk of the cost of the whole scooter. I even read of some saying it's better for them to just to trade in before the big services are due. Glad I don't plan on going to the dealer for this stuff. It definitely shows that if you don't plan to do your own maintenance at least, you need to research costs of maintenance for these things. |
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Post by stepthrutuner on Apr 9, 2017 11:11:39 GMT -5
Have you looked into a shop manual yet?
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Post by 90GTVert on Apr 9, 2017 13:24:36 GMT -5
Have you looked into a shop manual yet? So far I have 3 different years, the 2011 Yamaha accessories guide, and a technical orientation PDF. I took a ride to get Scoot Tag rolling again. The tag was a beach so I had to go down a ramp beside a bridge to get near a small beach... didn't have time to take a 150-200 mile ride or I'd gladly visit the real one. Anywho, that ramp is the first time I really felt the weight of the TMAX. It's rather heavy trying to back it up an incline. I rode around town trying to figure out a tag, did some u-turns, had to deal with slow moving, and all of it felt great to me. It's still kind of hard for me to believe that just shy of 500lbs doesn't feel any heavier than it does. Definitely a lot more scoot there than the 50-150s, and I know that weight catches up to you quick if your foot ever slips when you stop or something, but it's far from my expectations. Filled it up on the way home and checked mileage for the first time. 44.0MPG. I'll try to keep adding some to fuelly to track it.  |
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You will enjoy the freedom of owning a scooter capable of going anywhere now. Leaving the cage at home and the fuel savings will be great.
