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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 15, 2011 20:54:39 GMT -5
We aren't all on 50s. I think the name of the site discourages more 150 owners though.  My 72MPH "50" is bored and stroked to 103cc and it's a two-stroke. Lots of work, and 150s need not try to keep up.  The sliders might be worth it at least. I like 'em. First off, they're tough, and that's a good thing when you plan to travel the entire east coast. Second, tuning the CVT in general would be nice. Even if you get no gains, you will be spending a lot of time on the scoot so it may be good to set it up however you like it best. I added belts to your spreadsheet already. I'll try and remember to get back on there again if no one else adds on for you. |
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 16, 2011 7:22:32 GMT -5
I see you are asking how many belts on the trip spreadsheet. I'd say 1 should be fine. It's not normal to break belts, but it's definitely something to be prepared for and you'll end up using the belt eventually if you keep the scoot, even if not on this trip. I also added spark plug. Cheap, small, and you never know. Spark plug cap would be good to have as well. Sometimes they get loose and can cause ign troubles. It's not a big issue for most, but again cheap, small, and good to have in case.
That's what I'd call essential parts to carry, on top of the fasteners mentioned in the tool kit (nuts, bolts, washers). Beyond that ignition components are nice to have, CDI, coil, stator. I wouldn't carry these on a day trip most likely, but going cross country I think I'd feel safer knowing I could get myself out of the more common issues. Rectifier/regulator would be nice to have. Spare headlight bulb(s). Obviously they can fail and if there's an issue with the regulator they'll blow. Some scoots use bulbs you can get in an auto parts store, but a lot don't. Turn signal and tail/brake bulbs wouldn't be a bad idea, although those you can almost always get at an auto parts place for most scoots and they won't stop you from being able to ride. I see some folks carry a whole spare tire or wheels and tires. Would be a nice convenience, but an extra set of wheels and tires are going to be kinda expensive (maybe browse eBay), heavy, and take up a good bit of room. The repair kit will get you out of a jam to get to a tire place in most cases though. I've had tires slit before that would never be able to be repaired, but it's pretty rare. Roller weights are in the tool case section already, but nice to have because a belt break could screw up the rollers. The bushings that go on the ramp plate for the vari can be damaged or lost in a belt break too, not a bad thing to have.
I think I'd carry a quart of oil for the 4T. Maybe a couple of quarts if you don't plan on getting oil at a parts place along the way to do an oil change. Some carb or brake cleaner wouldn't be a terrible thing to have going cross country. You can use it to clean things of course, but it could be used as a starting fluid in a pinch too. While we're talking chemicals, window/visor cleaner and paper towels or cloths or you can get sealed wipes for the task. I have some nights when I ride 20 miles and end up with tons of bugs on my visor, so I'd definitely wanna be prepared for multiple cleanings whenever I needed them on your trip.
Again, not all of this stuff is really essential. I think everyone's ideas of what's essential will be a bit different. You could spend a small fortune in spare parts getting it all, but then one tow bill could cost as much as every ignition component. Not to mention you won't find a decent scooter shop in all areas nearby, so the hotel costs would go up while you wait for parts.
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Post by gy6luver on Aug 16, 2011 12:36:42 GMT -5
Update on the scoot currently being worked on, the battery is now showing 15.0 v when engine is revving, and 12.30 at rest
After setting it on a charger for a few hours it is now allowing me to push the starter for half a second and it fires, how long that will be that way remains to be seen!
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 16, 2011 12:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by gy6luver on Aug 16, 2011 12:49:18 GMT -5
I see you are asking how many belts on the trip spreadsheet. I'd say 1 should be fine. It's not normal to break belts, but it's definitely something to be prepared for and you'll end up using the belt eventually if you keep the scoot, even if not on this trip. I also added spark plug. Cheap, small, and you never know. Spark plug cap would be good to have as well. Sometimes they get loose and can cause ign troubles. It's not a big issue for most, but again cheap, small, and good to have in case. That's what I'd call essential parts to carry, on top of the fasteners mentioned in the tool kit (nuts, bolts, washers). Beyond that ignition components are nice to have, CDI, coil, stator. I wouldn't carry these on a day trip most likely, but going cross country I think I'd feel safer knowing I could get myself out of the more common issues. Rectifier/regulator would be nice to have. Spare headlight bulb(s). Obviously they can fail and if there's an issue with the regulator they'll blow. Some scoots use bulbs you can get in an auto parts store, but a lot don't. Turn signal and tail/brake bulbs wouldn't be a bad idea, although those you can almost always get at an auto parts place for most scoots and they won't stop you from being able to ride. I see some folks carry a whole spare tire or wheels and tires. Would be a nice convenience, but an extra set of wheels and tires are going to be kinda expensive (maybe browse eBay), heavy, and take up a good bit of room. The repair kit will get you out of a jam to get to a tire place in most cases though. I've had tires slit before that would never be able to be repaired, but it's pretty rare. Roller weights are in the tool case section already, but nice to have because a belt break could screw up the rollers. The bushings that go on the ramp plate for the vari can be damaged or lost in a belt break too, not a bad thing to have. I think I'd carry a quart of oil for the 4T. Maybe a couple of quarts if you don't plan on getting oil at a parts place along the way to do an oil change. Some carb or brake cleaner wouldn't be a terrible thing to have going cross country. You can use it to clean things of course, but it could be used as a starting fluid in a pinch too. While we're talking chemicals, window/visor cleaner and paper towels or cloths or you can get sealed wipes for the task. I have some nights when I ride 20 miles and end up with tons of bugs on my visor, so I'd definitely wanna be prepared for multiple cleanings whenever I needed them on your trip. Again, not all of this stuff is really essential. I think everyone's ideas of what's essential will be a bit different. You could spend a small fortune in spare parts getting it all, but then one tow bill could cost as much as every ignition component. Not to mention you won't find a decent scooter shop in all areas nearby, so the hotel costs would go up while you wait for parts. WOOW brent thats a lot of spare parts to carry, that would take up most of my section for gear for myself, i know this PARTICULAR type of scoot has a good track record of lasting a little, see this page scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=print&thread=4129While he no longer posts it looks like he made it to 6000 miles on his, again thats not going CROSS country, if you take a look in the far right of the spreadsheet you will see i have outlined a second trip option, it will (1) allow me to see more places and (2) allow me to keep my driving down to around 300 on the longest legs giving me and scoot plenty of rest time, If you get a chance feel free to head back to the sheet and fill some of this stuff in, i love your feedback, i would like to get the scoot to cruise around 60 (without WOT or full rpm) that would feel about right, i am highly considering a scoot windshield like the one below www.scrappydogscooters.com/COMMON_PARTS.htmlThough my limited expereince says that company has HORRIBLE shipping times ( i am still waiting on a parts order 8 days later) i was thinking something along those lines, it might come in handy in bad weather should i run across any, and cut down on the bugs on the visor, also i am probably going to have to get a new helmet the one i have now is for around town cruising and is only half helmet, though it has cool fire decals on it (sigh) who knows maybe with the windshield i could keep it My biggest concern is not having enough parts or spending a lot of money for parts i wont need, thats the balance i have to strike and by having a BRAND NEW scoot i would hope that balance would be in my favor for parts holding up, who knows, i expect to change the oil halfway (somewhere in virginia maybe) thanks for all the help, i know there is still lots to be done, if you have a scoot place you reccomend with fast shipping and decent prices also add that in in the spreadsheet, i added a section called "where to get parts!) thanks |
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 16, 2011 13:24:26 GMT -5
I have just the opposite experience with scrappy. Their fast shipping to me is probably the biggest reason to return. I'm on the east coast too, though not quite as far from them as you are.
I've got mixed reviews on windshields. Some people say they go faster, some say they slow down. Trying to think about it logically, if you got a windshield that is the right size, not too small for you and not much larger than the parts of you left in the wind, it should help some. A curved windshield that is slightly laid back should be more aerodynamic than a person sitting up. Regardless, I bet they're a lot nicer when you catch a rain storm or bug storm. Let stuff hit the windshield instead of you. Would be nice in cool/cold weather too.
As far as the helmet goes, full face or don't bother for me. That's another matter of opinion, but I don't think anyone could argue the full face is much nicer in some conditions.
I'm hoping someone with more experience on the 150s can help you more with what it takes to get better cruising speeds. As much as I wanna dig into the 150 sitting in my garage, it's not mine so I haven't had the chance to do more than maintenance, exhaust, K&N filter, and rejet. That stuff wasn't worth much of a gain at all.
I know that's a lot of parts. That's why I said I wouldn't say they're all essential. I just know that if I were the one going that far on a scoot, I'd feel more at ease knowing I had parts to cover some of the most common problems. Being 1000 miles from home on the side of the road with no parts just doesn't sound fun to me. I don't think that it's illogical to think you might make the whole trip without issue. My bud's 150 has 2000 miles on it with next to no problems other than stuff caused from sitting without use for long periods. However, I don't think it's wise to be unprepared, unless you don't mind the potential waits for a ride/tow. Not to mention the potential tow bill, additional costs waiting for parts if you breakdown in a place that scooter shops are few and far between, and things like that. These are all choices only you can make. You have to decide what you feel more comfortable with and without, these are just my opinions.
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Post by gy6luver on Aug 16, 2011 14:17:17 GMT -5
ok everyone i just got off the phone with awesomeatv out of texas (they are the ones i ordered sharky from) they told me this scooter WILL NOT survive the trip as i need it, they said it is air cooled and a top speed of 45 mph would be all that is reccomended, they were aware of aftermarket modifications that could make the scooter run at higher speeds with less rpms, however no one they know of had done such a modification. They said these scoots were made for LOCAL TRAVEL (2-7 miles one way trips only)
I am concerned about this development, is it time to rethink sharky, he said he will give me 48 hours before they pack my scoot to think it over, if i change my mind i will get a full refund!
This was a technician i spoke with not a sales guy!
Any help would be great!
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Post by lshigham on Aug 16, 2011 14:19:49 GMT -5
TBH, it is perfectly doable, just don't expect not to have problems.
A suggestion, if you are reluctant to carry so many spare parts. Leave the less essential one's with a friend who would be able to post them to you if you have problems, if they send them with next day postage you'll soon be up and running.
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 16, 2011 14:29:29 GMT -5
That's a great idea about leaving the parts with a friend that Luke has. Good thinking!
I like the willingness to work with you and cancel the order, but I can't say every seller is necessarily an expert. I don't mean to say anything bad about them either, it's in their best interest to discourage hard use. Less likely to have trouble with it that way. 2-7 miles though... hell, I might as well never start any of my 50s to ride just 2-7 miles. lol I just don't know how valuable that advice is. Like lshigham said, it's doable, but expect some problems. If there were no risk, it wouldn't be much of a bet would it?
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Post by gy6luver on Aug 16, 2011 14:51:27 GMT -5
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Post by lshigham on Aug 16, 2011 14:55:44 GMT -5
The 250's have been known to have serious overheating problems, so you probably aren't any better off anyway!
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Post by Goosey on Aug 16, 2011 15:15:12 GMT -5
Ok, first, you will get slightly higher top speed stock. But do you want to run at top speed for long distance is the question.
Yes, 12 gram sliding weights are nice, and replace the plug, coil, and CDI right off for smoother running. The CVT tuning other than the Dr. Pully's? Not sure if you would find the expense worth it? In the 150cc performance section you can see what I did and gained.
I don't know what kind of distance per day your thinking. I think a lot of the guys that write those travel articles for scoot magazine have a companion vehicle for problems.
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Post by stepthrutuner on Aug 16, 2011 15:33:14 GMT -5
ok everyone i just got off the phone with awesomeatv out of texas (they are the ones i ordered sharky from) they told me this scooter WILL NOT survive the trip as i need it, they said it is air cooled and a top speed of 45 mph would be all that is reccomended, they were aware of aftermarket modifications that could make the scooter run at higher speeds with less rpms, however no one they know of had done such a modification. They said these scoots were made for LOCAL TRAVEL (2-7 miles one way trips only) I am concerned about this development, is it time to rethink sharky, he said he will give me 48 hours before they pack my scoot to think it over, if i change my mind i will get a full refund! This was a technician i spoke with not a sales guy! Any help would be great! Ever heard of covering yur ass? |
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Post by gy6luver on Aug 16, 2011 15:37:19 GMT -5
lol and the people at scootdawg are saying JUST the opposite, that it would be BETTER on a 250 CC
lol
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Post by gy6luver on Aug 16, 2011 15:38:49 GMT -5
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My 72MPH "50" is bored and stroked to 103cc and it's a two-stroke. Lots of work, and 150s need not try to keep up. 
