Genuine Roughhouse Back In Black built by Zino

[yambw’s]

Jul 1, 2021 17:54:40 GMT -5 Zino said:

My parts are almost all in
Added a few things

Malossi Parts Malossi Sport 70cc ,Malossi 15/42 gears,g clips ,Malossi Torsion Controller ,Malossi Wrist Pin

NCY parts :Torque Driver ,Contra Springs 1000 ,1500 rpm ,Golden Variator ,Clutch Bell ,Racing Clutch,1000,1500,2000 rpm clutch springs

Keihin Jets 90,95 Mains and 38 and 40 pilot jets

Still waiting on my Trail Tech Temp TTO gauge and 48 inch extension..

Once the Temp Gauge is here next week I will start slowly upgrading.

I have put about 300 miles on it so far .
So the Stock Cylinder is starting too loosen up .
It is now in 75 mpg range for last 2 fill ups.
Top Speed is 41-42 I am able to bury the needle more often .

Wow!! that’s a nice lot of parts (jealous) I see the fly clutch in that stash also the Malossi Torsion Controller ring.. really helps with the torque driver movement for such a simple plastic ring: edit just noticed it’s not the fly clutch looks Very similar

[Zino]

Its all NCY stuff for the transmission.
The Stock Clutch for The Genuine is actually quite good .

NCY version of the Racing Clutch is just a Sport Clutch in the same class as Malossi Fly and Polini Speed .
Other than meatier clutch pad then stock its the same weight 618 grams

[Zino]

here are comparison of the clutches Malossi Delta ,Stock RoughHouse and NCY
I do like the look of the NCY Racing Clutch Bell with its venting and it has a rough coating inside not sure that it will hold up long term .
The Stock and NCY clutches are on par with Polini and Malossi Sport clutches as far as quality.

[woodini]

I have an NCY clutch bell on my ruck, enjoyed it so far!

[Zino]

Stock Torque driver on left with a small dog leg that lets it build rpms and then shifts
NCY Torque Driver on Right.
2 Angles One for Shifting Slower and one for Up Shifting Quicker

[Zino]

Stock Roughhouse improvements
Clutch improvements

Stock Clutch
Stock clutch springs start engaging at 3500 .
Polini Green Springs 4300 rpms
Polini Yellow 4800 rpms

Stiffer Springs Needed I Like the Yellows or Greens

NCY Clutch
NCY Blues 1000 rpm Spring give same take off range of 4300 as polini greens.

Contra Spring
NCY 1000 Spring Contra was too tight I would put it closer to a Malossi Yellow than White .
Stock Contra with Malossi Torsion Controller preloading spring closer to a Malossi White .
Stock Contra Worked Best No Belt Slip.

I bought the NCY 1500 spring ,That is way more than I will need .

When I add Pipe and Kit Stock Contra Spring will be my first choice for a sport build .

Stiffer contras make variator weights act lighter .
So I can tell the Stock Trans would like Lighter Weights .

Torque Driver
Stock is dual angle .
It helps with stock low power set up to spin you up and then shift.
When you get to racier narrower power band builds it can shift you out of the power band .

NCY
Has 2 angles
The one that is steeper in the picture above all the way to the right .
Is the one I prefer for shifting and on again off again throttle response .
My second choice would be stock .

So for a better than Stock Feel.
Stiffer clutch springs is a must do ( Light or Medium)
Lighter Variator weights than 7.5 gram stock is a must do (6.5 grams plus or minus a 1/2 gram)
Keep Stock Contra
Keep Stock Clutch
Keep Stock Bell
NCY Torque Driver is optional. You could keep Stock.

[Zino]

Variator Stock vs NCY
NCY is 49 grams less This should help it Spinup Faster over Stock
Stock Roller weights are 7.5 grams
I like Sliders so I am going to start with those at 6.5 Grams .





This is how at a glance I make sure sliders are right Just use a different color other than black to point inward

[Zino]

NCY Variator is a must do
It shifts a lot better and right to the edge under 2mm
Picked up 1-2 mph now pushing past 43

Spent the afternoon tuning the Variator .
I use the same stretches of road .
I measure what speed it takes to get each  of 2 mail boxes .
The first one is to hit at a speed above 20 mph and the second one is above 30 mph.
The vinos and zuma would push over 20 and 35 .
The roughouse is just at 20 and 30 mph .
I also have another area I test 0-40 mph .
The vinos and zuma's hit 40 by the silos the roughhouse takes twice as far.

Also measure and average top speed both directions.

Stock variator shifted around 6800 rpms and peaked at 8100 -8200 rpms
NCY

5.5 gram slider
Too light
Rpms spin way up and then come down as you accelerate .
Spun up fast But No Extra Acceleration
Variator shifting at 7600 Peaking at 8500-8600 Wasted Rpms no extra speed .
Full Variator Travel

6.5 Gram Slider
As Heavy as I would want to be
Variator Shifting at 6800 Peaking at 8100-8200 rpms Top speed 43.5 mph

6 gram Sliders
Spunkier Take Off Top Speed at 43.5 mph
Variator Shifting at 7200 rpms peaking at 8100-8200 rpms

[Zino]

Full Variator Travel On NCY Variator on inner and outer edge
This is less than 1 mm .
This is with No Shims added to the Stock Drive Boss.
The blue mark on the Toothpick is 5mm .
On the Stock Variator it was still at 4 mm left on outer edge .

Stock Variator
94 mm -8mm left of Travel = 86 mm of Top Gear
NCY
89 mm -1mm Left of travel = 88 mm of Top Gear



Here is stock variator same Toothpick marked at 5mm

[Zino]

The NCY Racing Clutch is too tight a fit would have to tap it on and off.
Woodini's NCY clutch was smooth on and off so I must have got a bad one .
I emailed and have a call out for a Replacement to Scooterworks No response yet they must be on holiday.

[Zino]

Exhaust pipe update
No Bolt On solutions with all 4 pipes

Tecnigas silent pro the mounts dont line up at all and they is no adjustement possible
Malossi Wild Lion Would require a different bracket .

Yasuni R Bracket can be modded .
Stage 6 Street Bracket can be modded .

[aeroxbud]

A few people have said they had trouble finding pipes for the roughhouse. I think Matt could only find one.

[Zino]

Stock roughhouse pipe is Heavy 11.4 lbs
For Comparison
I weighed the rest of my pipes .
Wild Lion/Polini Speed /Gianelli GO 8.8 lbs
Tecnigas Silent Pro 6.4 lbs
Stage 6 Street 8.8 lbs
Yasuni R 6.3 lbs
NCY Sport Exhaust 7.2 lbs 

I have a ton of zuma parts I might have to sell some .

[yambw’s]

I want to see you experience s6 street but what one you thinking of going for

[Zino]

Jul 10, 2021 7:53:20 GMT -5 yambw’s said:

I want to see you experience s6 street but what one you thinking of going for

The Stage 6 street looks Sharp on the scoot when its bolted up .
I am glad they send plenty of spacers .
Had to space the bottom bolt out with 2 spacers.
The bracket needs a 2 holes to connect the fender too and extend a slot so that the top bolt can clamp down.

I tried to search down the bracket for the PGO Max from overseas by itself No Luck.
So I will have to take it to my Buddy's Fab Shop to clean it up.

I have seen enough PGO builds pictures online the go to pipe is the GIanelli Go/Wild Lion/Polini Speed Pipe. 
They all look to bolt right up without extra holes .

I have a Scooter Works Street Exhaust on the way to compare too