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Post by jhobe6678 on Nov 28, 2014 18:12:09 GMT -5
I'd run the uni filter..with the 95 main... air screw 1 1/4 turns out needle middle clip  If it bogs down bad at the top end lower the needle all the way..then see whats up... Sweet Jesus it's about time you make yourself useful.  The other needle that was in there wasn't adjustable but it sat much lower than the one I have in there now. I guess I'll try this tomorrow if I feel up to it. It's dark now and I've showered for the night. I just am getting bent out of  shape that right when I think I've got it, it gets worse. So I'll throw the 95 back in there, no pod on the filter, lower the needle (raise the clip) and see how that works. This needle scares me though, this is the one where the clip popped out on me that time when I first got it. Every time it gets shitty at WOT, it feels just like that. But the needle is there and hasn't moved every time it's happened so it can't be that. The throttle snaps right back so I know the slide isn't jammed up or anything. But when it gets shitty, it takes time to recover. I can't tell if it's just gotten too hot or if maybe I am having float issues. I'm dealing with used carbs though. If this doesn't do anything tomorrow, I'm going to just order a new carb and start fresh there. My only other suspicion is that the carb is just "hanging" on the intake now with no real support, maybe the motion is shaking it so that it loses a seal or something. Maybe I'll throw the stock airbox back on for shits and giggles. I don't know man. I sit idle and think and when I come up with a plan, it does the same shit to me. I can only imagine the fun I'm going to have with the M1 when I throw the BBK and cam on there. |
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Post by jhobe6678 on Nov 28, 2014 18:13:18 GMT -5
How does it run on the stand? What stand? Remember, I cut that off so the exhaust wouldn't bang into it. So what, I should throw it on jack stands and see how it runs? That won't tell me much since it's not under load. Unless someone points out an obvious sign to look for. |
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Post by Sitticuss on Nov 28, 2014 18:17:11 GMT -5
How does it run on the stand? What stand? Remember, I cut that off so the exhaust wouldn't bang into it. So what, I should throw it on jack stands and see how it runs? That won't tell me much since it's not under load. Unless someone points out an obvious sign to look for. I removed mine too I have a cement block and a piece of wood i use to prop up the tire. At least you can get more of an idea whats going on if it is suspended. A good tune can take hours......... |
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Post by jhobe6678 on Nov 28, 2014 18:27:44 GMT -5
What stand? Remember, I cut that off so the exhaust wouldn't bang into it. So what, I should throw it on jack stands and see how it runs? That won't tell me much since it's not under load. Unless someone points out an obvious sign to look for. I removed mine too I have a cement block and a piece of wood i use to prop up the tire. At least you can get more of an idea whats going on if it is suspended Yeah, the problem is the neighbor is usually home when I'm working on it and she has a fit if I'm smoking the place out. If I'm running it on a stand then I'm right in front of the house. So my options are to slap it together, start it and drive off before she bitches. I can hope she's not home but still. I'm just out of ideas of what to look for. I'm looking at new carbs right now. Thinking of getting PWK. PFS has a HOCA but they want $100, Scrappy has one for $60 but it's a damn 28mm. I can always go for that Delotoro Clone on AliExpress for like $40, then the kit or whatever to make it work with my throttle and such. Jesus christ this is going way beyond, I may as well have just rebuilt this thing from the frame up. |
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Post by 2TDave on Nov 28, 2014 18:53:08 GMT -5
I'd try the stock airbox myself with a 85-90 main clip in the middle. If you do get a new carb go with a Dellorto 19. You can get the clone also but you may have to order the adapter for the inlet. Treatlandtv has them. I have jets to get you in tune until to order what you need.
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Post by 90GTVert on Nov 28, 2014 19:14:55 GMT -5
the problem is the neighbor is usually home when I'm working on it and she has a fit if I'm smoking the place out Any chance you have an industrial park or some spot nearby you could use for fine tuning where no one will bug you (neighbors, cops, etc...)? Usually on a Sunday, at least around here, I can find spots like that where no one is around..Obviously it's nicer to have all the tools at home or a truck to carry them and a scoot wherever, but if nothing else that may work for some runs to dial it in once it's close. |
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Post by niz76 on Nov 28, 2014 20:10:17 GMT -5
I'd try the stock airbox myself with a 85-90 main clip in the middle. If you do get a new carb go with a Dellorto 19. You can get the clone also but you may have to order the adapter for the inlet. Treatlandtv has them. I have jets to get you in tune until to order what you need. +1 |
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Post by jhobe6678 on Nov 28, 2014 20:35:27 GMT -5
I'd try the stock airbox myself with a 85-90 main clip in the middle. If you do get a new carb go with a Dellorto 19. You can get the clone also but you may have to order the adapter for the inlet. Treatlandtv has them. I have jets to get you in tune until to order what you need. Are you saying if I buy an actual Del that I won't need the adapters? I see clones that come with them and I can always fashion something from Home Depot. Maybe tomorrow morning I'll tinker with the stock airbox and see where it gets me with your recommendations. I was actually hoping to have this licked and wanted to put the BBK on the M1. 2 of my 4 days off are gone now and I still wanted to see about taking the tires up to get changed too. A Del will cost me twice the clone, but all the parts will be the same I'd assume. Same as the Minkuni. I'd hate to just buy another "stock" carb really at this point, I may as well get an upgrade and the PHBG or PWK types I see would fit what I want. Easy jet changes and probably more stable running. But also lots of variables to them. Slide, needle and multiple jet sizes would send me into a frenzy I'm sure. I'm fighting so hard to stay away from the stock airbox because it's bulky and ugly, but maybe that's what I need to bite the bullet on for now. If I order the Del (clone or not) I'll order a jet kit as well I'm sure. |
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Post by jhobe6678 on Nov 28, 2014 20:41:16 GMT -5
the problem is the neighbor is usually home when I'm working on it and she has a fit if I'm smoking the place out Any chance you have an industrial park or some spot nearby you could use for fine tuning where no one will bug you (neighbors, cops, etc...)? Usually on a Sunday, at least around here, I can find spots like that where no one is around..Obviously it's nicer to have all the tools at home or a truck to carry them and a scoot wherever, but if nothing else that may work for some runs to dial it in once it's close. There really isn't a place like that near me that I know of and if there were, I'd need someone to truck my tools with me and the scoot. I've been slowly making a "bag" of tools and such for working on the scoot, it's making it a bit easier for me to move in and out of the house. For instance, I'm buying special size wrenches (9mm, Why they aren't in every open end set is beyond me) and some sockets to carry as spares so I don't have to haul my entire 150+ socket set around. Plus I don't like losing pieces of complete sets. So the bag plus a few other tools may fit in the scoot bucket with other spare parts, tubing, clamps etc. So it's possible, but I'd have to have someone on standby to get me home if there's a catastrophic failure I'm sure lol. The thing that baffles me is this thing screams on the initial run, but then after that WOT issue it runs like complete dogshit and I can't get it back till it's cold. So I'm either overheating the engine or I'm thinking there's something wrong with how the choke/fuel delivery is when it warms up. I'm pretty confident that there isn't an air leak after today. I mean really, I was at 10k RPM and could have stayed there had I not let off the throttle and kept with the wind. So I know the engine is capable of running like a bat out of hell. It's just getting it to stay there. I literally heard this thing running in three different tones today. At one point it sounded so in tune and fierce that I nearly shut it off and left it then. But I had to see how it was on the road and wham... |
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Post by niz76 on Nov 28, 2014 20:57:50 GMT -5
The thing that baffles me is this thing screams on the initial run, but then after that WOT issue it runs like complete dogshit and I can't get it back till it's cold. So I'm either overheating the engine or I'm thinking there's something wrong with how the choke/fuel delivery is when it warms up. I hope for your sanity you get it figured out haha. Sounds like you're so close! These things can drive u batty sometimes! Sounds like something is heating up and shrinking and causing a leak? Just throwing ideas out there... Maybe the exhaust? or a cylinder leak at the base gasket? Here's an idea to test the choke: unplug it. If it runs good even after warmed up- at least you have found the problem! If it's working as it should and moving in/out when warm/cold (energized/de-energized) then it should stay in the "choked" position when unplugged... |
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Post by jhobe6678 on Nov 28, 2014 21:00:34 GMT -5
The thing that baffles me is this thing screams on the initial run, but then after that WOT issue it runs like complete dogshit and I can't get it back till it's cold. So I'm either overheating the engine or I'm thinking there's something wrong with how the choke/fuel delivery is when it warms up. I hope for your sanity you get it figured out haha. Sounds like you're so close! These things can drive u batty sometimes! Sounds like something is heating up and shrinking and causing a leak? Just throwing ideas out there... Maybe the exhaust? or a cylinder leak at the base gasket? Here's an idea to test the choke: unplug it. If it runs good even after warmed up- at least you have found the problem! If it's working as it should and moving in/out when warm/cold (energized/de-energized) then it should stay in the "choked" position when unplugged... Bite your tongue on the gasket leak... As for the choke. I think I tried that once before. You mean unplug it THEN start it? Or unplug it after it's warmed up? The choke is supposed to be open to allow more fuel at first start, but then leans out after the engine is warm right? Or do I have this backwards? |
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Post by niz76 on Nov 28, 2014 21:05:42 GMT -5
Bite your tongue on the gasket leak... As for the choke. I think I tried that once before. You mean unplug it THEN start it? Or unplug it after it's warmed up? The choke is supposed to be open to allow more fuel at first start, but then leans out after the engine is warm right? Or do I have this backwards? U got it correct. Unplug it THEN start it. I didn't mean the intake gasket- I'm sure u got it sealed up good  - the gasket at the base of the cylinder... |
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Post by jhobe6678 on Nov 28, 2014 21:11:09 GMT -5
Bite your tongue on the gasket leak... As for the choke. I think I tried that once before. You mean unplug it THEN start it? Or unplug it after it's warmed up? The choke is supposed to be open to allow more fuel at first start, but then leans out after the engine is warm right? Or do I have this backwards? U got it correct. Unplug it THEN start it. I didn't mean the intake gasket- I'm sure u got it sealed up good - the gasket at the base of the cylinder... I know which gasket you meant. That's what I'm afraid of lol. Though I'm not really afraid to take it apart anymore, it's actually stupid easy and the VX50 has plenty of room for this. Though I wouldn't want to have done the whole swap with it in the frame, but checking up on a gasket or even replacing piston rings isn't that hard to get to it all. Maybe I'll check on that tomorrow as well. I only coated one side of the base gasket with Motoseal anyways. Or did I... Shit. Wait, yeah I did. I remember trying to get that damn stuff off my fingers now. Maybe I'll pull the cylinder head off enough to just goop up the other side, press it all back together and let it sit while I tinker with getting the airbox back in. If I can't figure it out by early afternoon, I'm moving on to the BBK in the M1 I think. I'm hoping that would be easier. PS. Can anyone tell me exactly what Dellorto to buy? I see the 19mm PHBG, am I to assume that's what I'm looking for? I see the adapters on Treatland.tv that 2TDave said earlier. I'm going to assume whatever 90 degree "bendy" like this one? Also I want to get a choke cable so I'm not having to reach into the engine to shut the choke off. Make me a shopping list and I'm a happy camper. |
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Post by niz76 on Nov 28, 2014 21:16:24 GMT -5
I use a good flashlight with the shrouds off and make sure to get a good eyeball on every mm of where the cylinder meets the cases- if you don't see any leakage prolly no need to take it all apart- at least you'll be confident it isn't leaking!
Sorry I have no carb suggestions- I've been confusing myself the more I shop for a nice carb too ;P
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Post by jhobe6678 on Nov 28, 2014 21:20:33 GMT -5
I use a good flashlight with the shrouds off and make sure to get a good eyeball on every mm of where the cylinder meets the cases- if you don't see any leakage prolly no need to take it all apart- at least you'll be confident it isn't leaking! Sorry I have no carb suggestions- I've been confusing myself the more I shop for a nice carb too ;P Well I took half the shroud off today to inspect the top. Remember how I said I had fluid on the intake? Not anymore. I inspected the cylinder though at the top to see if there was anything blowing out of it and it seemed clean. I didn't look at the bottom of it but the shroud was clean. Well, there wasn't any extra fluid or gunk no more than normal. I'm hoping that Someone can point me in the right direction so I don't buy the wrong things. I'm done messing with these used carbs. The Hoca one I saw was nice because it has its own powerjet in it. I'd love to have that option. But it's $99 to start and god knows what I'd need after to get it to fit. I have a bad feeling though that no matter what, i'm going to have to front mount, which means taking my beautiful gasket job apart. At least the top part of the reed cage.  At least I have two good front facing intakes though. One of which I can connect my damn KIA muffler to almost.  |
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- the gasket at the base of the cylinder...
At least I have two good front facing intakes though. One of which I can connect my damn KIA muffler to almost.