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Post by 90GTVert on Dec 23, 2009 13:39:18 GMT -5
That is badass. I thought they were around 80MPG. How do you up the fuel in these? Are you limited to programming the ECM or are there bigger injectors available if you really wanna push it?
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Post by 190mech on Dec 29, 2009 20:51:43 GMT -5
Whats the latest on the "hitech ape"  |
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Post by 2strokd on Dec 30, 2009 8:45:52 GMT -5
Not a thing, yet!
Its just been sitting in the corner of my garage while i did the whole family X-mas thing.
All i managed to do was order four new spark plugs for it. I will work on it some more soon. No big hurry with winter and all.
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Post by 2strokd on Dec 30, 2009 8:48:46 GMT -5
That is badass. I thought they were around 80MPG. How do you up the fuel in these? Are you limited to programming the ECM or are there bigger injectors available if you really wanna push it? Thats a good question  . Im not sure if or what is available for the injection. I know the fuel pressure is somewhat adjustable, but thats not gonna push anymore fuel out of the injector. |
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Post by 2strokd on Jan 1, 2010 1:36:17 GMT -5
Good news ;D! I got the Ape running tonight. Ended up cleaning the air pump and line. It wasnt that bad at all really, just a little water in the line. I checked out the whole injection system. Put it all back together with a new plug, and after some cranking it started firing and sputtered to a start. I held the throttle just barely open until it started to clear up. Then after i felt safe for a rev i noticed it seemed to be bogging bad then the rear wheel would take off flying. It also had a bad clanking noise coming from the vari area. I pull the cvt cover off and see that the vari is stuck and the belt was more than half way up the vari. Thats like taking off in fourth gear  . The back of the vari was stuck on the crank  . It took some prying to get that off only to see that it had been forced onto the splines the wrong way  . I was able to file the splines enough to get the vari to fit the right way again. From the vari being in wrong the rollers got all messed up and were in side ways and worn in ways i would have never thought. Ohh, and the belt was on backwards lol  . I did get it running smoother and was able to ride it down the street  . I think it just has old gas. The more i start and run it the better it gets. I need a set of heavier rollers. The heaviest i have are 5.5g and this thing is acing like a set of 7or 8grams would do it well. I weight the best roller left out of the ones that were in it and it was about 7. I put my Dr.P 4.5g sliders in just for kicks and, haha 35mph screamin half block away. Thats not gonna work  |
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Post by 190mech on Jan 1, 2010 6:56:29 GMT -5
Hey!Glad to hear she's running..Did ya take any pics?Wondering what it looks like inside an Italian machine?
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 1, 2010 6:59:58 GMT -5
Good stuff. Can't wait to hear what you think of it once it's running right.
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Post by Reign on Jan 1, 2010 11:15:19 GMT -5
Cant wait to trade you all the scooter parts you could ever want  I'm glad you finally got her running. Sounds like whoever worked on it last didn't have a CLUE what they were doing. Just a question though. I'd like to order a pack of a bunch of different weight rollers, but how can you tell just by riding it if it needs to be heavier or lighter? I'm running 5g Dr. P right now, ad I have nothing over these in weight. I've been hearing alot of people are running 7's and 8's. Would I benefit from such a heavy roller? |
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Post by 90GTVert on Jan 1, 2010 11:44:49 GMT -5
If the rollers are light you may notice one or more of these symptoms :
-High revving. In extreme cases the engine can rev fast enough to go right past your peak power making takeoff slow.
-Low top speed. If the weights are just a little too light the speed may barely be affected (1mph or so). In extreme cases the speed will be greatly affected, and RPM will usually be very high.
-Inadequate belt travel. If you open up your CVT and see that the wear marks on your variator are not very close to the outer edge, your roller weights may not be capable of pushing the variator together.
If the rollers are heavy you may notice one or more of these symptoms :
-Bog/low revs. Heavy rollers can cause the variator to shift too quickly and prevent your engine from using it's peak power.
-Poor acceleration. Heavy rollers cause the variator to transition to a higher gear ratio faster, so you can't take full advantage of the lower gear ratios when accelerating. In extreme cases top speed will be greatly reduced because the engine can't overcome the high gearing.
Sometimes you can use declines to help you tell if your weights are too heavy or too light if you're having trouble figuring it out. I'm not talking about major slopes, just sligh declines.
-If you go down a hill and your speed and RPM doesn't increase, your roller weights are likely too light.
-If you go down a hill and your speed and RPM increase slightly you are probably pretty close to ideal.
-If you go down a hill and your speed and RPM increase dramatically it is very likely that your roller weights are too heavy.
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Post by 2strokd on Jan 1, 2010 12:37:36 GMT -5
Hey!Glad to hear she's running..Did ya take any pics?Wondering what it looks like inside an Italian machine? Sorry, i got ahead of myself and just kinda dove in forgetting to take pics. I do need to take the cvt cover back off today because there is a noise coming from the TD i believe. It could be the belt, it looked bad. The guy did have a new one for it that came with the deal but its a Gates . O,well free belt is a good belt. I do have a short vid of it running though . You can hear the noise im talking about. Sorry about the bad lighting. I will do better today .  These come stock with 7.7gram rollers stock and from what other Ape owners have said they dont like weight changes if they are stock. I will get a tuner set and see what i think. First i gotta figure out what this noise is. Im gonna put the new belt on first. If that dosnt fix it, it might be a bad bearing in the TD. |
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Post by 190mech on Jan 1, 2010 12:56:04 GMT -5
Sounds good!Like vert ,I wanta know how she compares to
our Asian scoots.Look foward to a full report!
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Post by 2strokd on Jan 1, 2010 13:16:08 GMT -5
I can tell you from riding my friends DiTec last summer they ride smooth, handle well, and the cvt stayed in the power up to 55 perfect. And the brakes, well they explain themselves. His was all stock also.
Skeedr would smoke it in a drag race all day, but for an all around quality scoot it should do well and hopefully not need much to maintain.
Not $3,000 well, but in my case with the trade...WELL worth it!
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Post by 2strokd on Jan 3, 2010 11:43:22 GMT -5
Man o man ITS COLD !!! I went for a short ride and its a great scooter. A bit taller than im used to, but i will get used to it, or lower it . IM only 5-8. The more it runs the better it runs (bad gas). The only problem is the 5 and 10 degree temps outside. Bbrrrr, it was cold trying to see what kind of top-end it had. I got up to 46mph when the speedo quit working. It pulled past that but im not sure how fast? I probably got to about 50 when i said f this, its tooo dang cold . I brought it home so i could thaw out. My only real concern right now is the noise coming from the cvt. I think its the TD bearing?. And its gonna need a new vari....I have pics but i dont have my cam right now to upload them, i will asap. Overall- its heavy, but stays in the power well even with worn drive train parts. Handles very well for the weight, better than Skeedr through the bumps and twisties. Bumps are nothing with the 13inch wheels and the quality suspision. Im happy with it so far but i see know reason to brag nor stick my nose in the air like some of the Aprilia owners i have read about lol. More to come |
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Post by stepthrutuner on Jan 3, 2010 14:51:15 GMT -5
I know it's a lot colder up there in IN but I kind of like riding in the cold.... it gives me an excuse to drink a little anti-freeze. LOL. ;D
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Post by 190mech on Jan 3, 2010 19:01:29 GMT -5
I snuck over to the Aprilla forum and looked at this super hi-tech
machine,,looks like an injector in the head(air) and one in the
throttle body(fuel)?Then I hopped to the 70cc BB link and was startled
to see a finned ECU that went with the kit.WOW!is it for emissions or is it just engineers gone wild?A 2 stroke is such a simple machine with very few moving parts,,do we need all this extra stuff?Took me a while to see the benefits of EFI on cars,but now I'd never look back,perhaps this is the future 2 stroke???
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. Im not sure if or what is available for the injection. I know the fuel pressure is somewhat adjustable, but thats not gonna push anymore fuel out of the injector. 
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. It took some prying to get that off only to see that it had been forced onto the splines the wrong way 
. I was able to file the splines enough to get the vari to fit the right way again. From the vari being in wrong the rollers got all messed up and were in side ways and worn in ways i would have never thought. 
. I did get it running smoother and was able to ride it down the street 
. I think it just has old gas. The more i start and run it the better it gets. 
