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Post by drawkward on Jul 6, 2010 9:55:43 GMT -5
Oh, to clarify mine came with springs but they aren't late engaging springs. I have found late engaging springs to not always be the best in all my apps. I put a set of low-revers in with one set-up and it loved em! If i let it rev too much (like with tight springs) it would start to shift too much before the clutch kicked. I put in some lighter springs and was very impressed! I was happy too because i thought i was going to have to find a use for all those light springs  I never thought about how much it was shifting while it was revving. Is there a way to make it so that it doesn't shift until the clutch engages? That would be ideal. |
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Post by 2strokd on Jul 6, 2010 13:17:41 GMT -5
A lighter ramp in the torque driver(not so steep) or tighter torque(contra) spring is all that i can think of. But they all have there limits. I could never get the stock rear pulleys to stay closed over around 4grand no-matter what i did. Unless of course you add a spring so stiff that it wont shift right.
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Post by 90GTVert on Jul 6, 2010 15:56:47 GMT -5
I have the steepest ramp in the Hoca torque driver, Malossi Torsion Control, 2K contra, 2K clutch, lightened clutch, and it just barely starts to shift before clutch engagement if at all. Some of my other setups have shifted with the 2K springs though.
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Post by 190mech on Jul 10, 2010 19:46:03 GMT -5
I ordered an NCY secondary slider from scooterworks and got it in 3 days.When I opened the package,the P/N was right but the pulley said "for RS100",I found a NCY sticker on the back and sure enough it was an RS100  ,I emailed them about an exchange,but curiosity got me to wondering what is the difference...I pulled my clutch/pulley unit and tore it apart,here is the difference;  All the measurements are the same except the pulley is larger;  Every thing fit perfectly,soo what the heck,,lets try it!Plenty of room for the larger pulley in the CVT housing,had trouble figuring which slot to put the pins in so I just picked the steepest one(I think..)Put it all back together and it ran great!Now I'm wondering just how much of the RS100 stuff will fit???  |
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Post by 90GTVert on Jul 10, 2010 20:37:43 GMT -5
If we could get the whole rear pulley and a longer belt you could get a heck of a "low gear"! Good info.
Here's a variator from an RS100, so I'm guessing the rear pulley and possibly the clutch/bell would be about the extent of it.
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Post by 190mech on Jul 11, 2010 5:22:12 GMT -5
I got on NCY's website and it 'appears' that the clutch/pulley assy might bolt on,but if the variator would,now we're talking! ;D ;D
Even if only the rear pulley system was used with up gears,that would get back the low end...
Edit;Thinking about that,would'nt the belt tend to ride out of the vari pulley if the vari diameter isnt increased?(I continue to be in a 'fog' over the whole CVT system,its such a dumb design!)
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Post by 2strokd on Aug 2, 2010 12:51:29 GMT -5
The vari diameter would need to be slightly increased, but not near as much as the rear pulley set-up in comparison... I know this bad motor scooter needs gears and all....But i sure would like to get my paws on it before the gear swap just to see what i could do with the CVT to get a better cruising RPM for a stroker?  ? |
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Post by 190mech on Aug 3, 2010 4:41:20 GMT -5
Id love to wedge the whole RS100 CVT system in there,think it'd make a good over range mod.
Hey Robert,maybe I should ship ya the engine to set up the CVT system.Shouldnt cost as much as shipping the whole scoot!! :idea:
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Post by 2strokd on Aug 3, 2010 9:20:06 GMT -5
Id love to wedge the whole RS100 CVT system in there,think it'd make a good over range mod. Hey Robert,maybe I should ship ya the engine to set up the CVT system.Shouldnt cost as much as shipping the whole scoot!!  O, well let me think about that and check my schedule :rofl: !!! HELL YEAH!!! SEND ME THAT BADBOY TOY :rockon: ! I will tune it my bestest! Got all the goodies here already too :devil: |
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Post by 190mech on Aug 27, 2010 20:17:29 GMT -5
Got something in the mail today;   Will post the gear install tomorrow! |
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 27, 2010 20:26:28 GMT -5
Sweet! Glad you finally found a set!!!
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Post by 190mech on Aug 28, 2010 20:49:07 GMT -5
Got the gears installed,turned out to be a tough job..First I pressed off the old primary idler gear,pretty hard to come off;   After removal I measured the old gear bore and the Malossi gear bore,Heck!The Malossi is a full .002" smaller!Knew that would make starting the gear on the shaft would be very difficult,tried it cold first,NO GO,tried to heat the gear bore with a torch,NO GO,Put the idler shaft in the lathe and ground a shallow taper on the end of the shaft with a Dremel and cut off wheel,Hey!It started!Man,was it tough to press it all the way on,but finally got it there;    Cleaned everything up and reinstalled the gears in the case,it all fit(Whew!)  |
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 28, 2010 21:00:23 GMT -5
Thanks for all the pics. So now the big question... how fast is it? ;D
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Post by 2strokd on Aug 29, 2010 0:20:42 GMT -5
Man thats great news, that you got some gears, not that they were a bitch to install :spin: . Were did you get em? How much for them?
SHould help tons! Looks like a big difference :thumb:
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Post by 90GTVert on Aug 29, 2010 1:38:12 GMT -5
Just did the math. That is a nice change. Your stock gears woulda been 13.54 final drive ratio. With the Malossi gears, your final drive ratio is 10.15:1.
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,I emailed them about an exchange,but curiosity got me to wondering what is the difference...I pulled my clutch/pulley unit and tore it apart,here is the difference;